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Diane Tessman we have been issue 18

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ghosts who are you holograms lost loved

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ones or energy occurs Malcolm Robison

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the will project of wright-patterson Air

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Force Base Ross well detailed memory

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metal and one and only dr. J Allen Hynek

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Andy Weber cover-ups Adelle Kissel Yves

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Rocher and the mutual among visitations

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Adele s courses on a visit to the French

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fascinatin encounter we'll look at bad

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UFO images the cached Landrum and

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McDonald affair we have a recall of

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the Tibetan stalkers pol Sinclair

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reports on a gigantic ft

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Christmas period of 2019 over the

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Christmas period of 2018 while Chris

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Evers examines UFO reports which as

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presented in the local newspaper are all

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Daily Mail and gives possible

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explanations for these sightings all

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this and much more to remain up-to-date

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wicks sites calm /out er - limits

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- mag being farmed

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saturday 17th of august 2019 the venue

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is a Pontefract

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first-come first-served basis this

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fantastic venue is situated close to all

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free upon to perhaps railway stations

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with the monk he'll set station being

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the closest literally attendee walk away

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alderic a parking is less than a five

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minute walk and currently charge the

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foreground 54 all day bhaktavar cable

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station is less than two minutes away

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from the actual venue Saturday is also a

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Pontefract market deck with many

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mini sandwich fish and chip shops and

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other types of food available all within

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the family walk of the venue Pontefract

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is also a good access to off the m1 and

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the m60 so it is with honor and some

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excitement that ultimate magazine and

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now announce speakers for it's 2019

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event to watch the event working under

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the banner title of the closest of

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encounters as always shall be ultimate

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it will prevent the talk on subject

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relevant to the theme of the conference

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making a table meets magazine conference

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debut shall be author and experience

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that for the pin seller who will discuss

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is an extremely close encounter event

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and personal experiences Paul Sinclair

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a novel in this magazine conference to

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discuss small details of his

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investigations and findings until omits

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or as it's also known the Declan Woods

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the Magic Kingdom to present his own

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story in a public forum and this should

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be the only learning witness a famous

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lifetime chance to me and here at

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Calvin's most intriguing case straight

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from the only surviving witness

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working alongside of this magazine is my

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Limits radio show this experiment or the

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extremely grateful for Philips continued

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support of our limits magazine and all

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these endeavors tickets for the deer

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pound 8 to PayPal fate and are now

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strictly limited seating numbers

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selling don't miss out get yours now

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come be informed do remember to Keyshawn

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because he'd out so please allow at

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least watts and gears to seat them hello

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there everybody once again and welcome

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to another of inside the Outer Limits

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radio show and of course myself Chris

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Evers as always I'm joined by my co-host

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Phillip mantle Haley felt good evening

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Chris now to speak here you to is ways

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it's been quite a while aunt it since we

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yeah well I mean we keep in touch but

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you know actually hearing your voice not

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not doing that for a couple of weeks a

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nice to speak to you again this evening

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as you as well freely is you as well so

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this evening we have a female guest do

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want to describe it to us Phil well

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that's pretty difficult really I mean

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they were about to speak to is it is a

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prospective friend and colleague of mine

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Adele and I have been in contact shall

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we say for several years now and we

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worked on a number of things and you

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know she is a paranormal sort UFO

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researcher in her own right and an

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author and I'm glad to say I'll be

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publishing I

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Dell's book on the first of March I'll

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let her tell you more about the book she

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knows far more about it than me but

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that's how we know her but I think you

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know to a wider audience this will be a

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good way of getting to know a different

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side of research and a different person

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it's not the same old names all over

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referring to if correct me if I

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pronounced this incorrectly please Adele

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Cass Ali's Natasha it's actually Adele

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yeah okay now that tells me a Spanish

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interesting that you asked me that

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question I come from a kind of like a

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diverse heritage I am part Filipina from

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Pacific Rim strategically right the low

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Japan and across from China and you know

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to make a long story short we're at the

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crossroads of Asia but it is an unusual

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area because it is distinctive in terms

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of the cultural backdrop we had been

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occupied by the Spanish for 400 years

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and this is obviously before my time

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since a young lady they were there for

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400 years approximately and during that

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they as much as they've assimilated to

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our culture and at the end there was a

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lot of admits Chur not just in cuisine

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religious beliefs and things of that

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so what you have is an Asian country

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that is highly unique in the sense that

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it's more Eurasian rather than just

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simply an Asian country which is typical

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of the area so with that there's also 32

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dialects that are spoken on top of the

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fact that we also had a

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import/export with other European

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countries as a result of the crossroads

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that's continuously open between US and

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Spain which still exists today to some

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extent so the name comes from

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if you roughly translate it Adele was my

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grandmother's name she was part Spanish

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from Toledo Spain which is right smack

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in the middle of Spain and the middle

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name is a house it's Spanish for house

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and there's other reasons for putting

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that all together it was interesting how

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I came about it it was actually just in

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realized and that sounds that resonates

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with me you know because I wanted

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something that was stable in terms of

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you know my identity and obviously it is

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a pen name but it's the name that seems

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to go together so to speak so yes my

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background this part Spanish and in part

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Filipino which has some Malayan and

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Chinese influence you know excellent

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yeah I've got a pen name as well some

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principal but I I would put a gentleman

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Adel and he's the first name was Albert

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which of course he's not Spanish at all

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but I think after the Spanish the

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Americans were there for a while I think

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the Brits were there for a while in the

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Philippines and he echoes what you've

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just said the rich mix diverse culture

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and Krish takes the mickey out of me

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because I have trouble pronouncing

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foreign names now Albert I work with

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this chap for about six years and I

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still struggle to say his surname Tejada

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well it's spelt t e GH a dear but you

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and so we had long discussions about the

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Philippines and you know you know he

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still had family there and he told me

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about the hurricane season and he

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remembered one year I think they had

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worn hurricane can of every week for

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months on end I mean it was it was

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unbelievable

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but yes it is one area or one of them

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several areas it does have a diverse

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culture and hence Chris picking up

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picking up on your Spanish part of it

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you might know that this this that we

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have two dialects in in in Britain as

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adèle we are not sure and then the rest

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of it are you might notice between me

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and Chris is a slight difference in our

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accents even though we're both from

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Yorkshire now I'm from the West Kristi's

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over in the East and what were less than

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an hour apart but that you can hear a

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difference in the in in our in our

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accent I can I actually can that is

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correct and you don't forget that

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Philly's from the Royal side of to

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explain this to you Adele on somebody on

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a Facebook page Bobst once referred to

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me as UFO royalty so it's a long it's a

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long standing in joke so now now you

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know what it is no idea it was a it was

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called UFO royalty quite a few weeks

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back edge just before we we recorded

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some shirts before Christmas and of

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course I jump straight on that and stay

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calling him its majesty you were for

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royalty etc except ready it's kinda

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they're stuck there's both bowing in my

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presence and you teeth now what I wanted

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to do with L was a you've described

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yourself in the past as a freelance

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travel photographer what did you get

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involved with that

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well it's interesting how I came upon my

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various identities and I have to say

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it's because I love to travel for one

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thing I've had a succession of cameras

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that I currently own a Pentax which I

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still have to unravel from its wrapping

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but since I now own an iPhone I found it

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to be a lot more versatile honestly I

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know a lot of photographers out there

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would not agree with me because they

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have to use shutter speed and they have

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to use some kind of a frame and etc etc

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and filters I don't use any of that I

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have been traveling since 1982 and

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incidentally you would find this

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interesting the first country I actually

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visited was the UK alright ok oh yes so

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I was there but it was kind of like an

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official holiday I had just graduated

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from college university I was with my

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friend from one of the dorms she was

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with me for a couple of years we shared

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a dorm together she was very interested

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in traveling to Europe so we took a tour

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and and I always said once you start

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traveling you cannot stop so 26

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countries later I am still looking to

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see all parts of the globe and hopefully

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you know by 2025 I will have seen all

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seven continents excellent so excellent

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now I didn't stop personally traveling

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until I got Wellington where my thirties

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not the 1930s for got into my thirties

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and the first place I actually visited

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was Spain so that's why I come pick up

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some Spanish here and there I can get

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back I can order a couple of beers in

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the peach server but that's basically

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about as far as my Spanish girls

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well no the reason I asked about the

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photography is because I don't know if

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you nerd Elle but I'm actually a

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photographer myself I

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scanning equipment and DSLRs you know

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that's why I asked about that oh that's

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a very very nice piece of equipment yes

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well I've actually got three Canon

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cameras oh my one I have two standbys

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and their main camera which is a 70 mark

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to EOS 7d mark so I don't know what the

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American equivalent is well and because

329
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I know you have slightly different names

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across there for them than we do at this

331
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side of the pond but yeah it's I enjoy

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my photography and it's something that

333
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helps me to relax you know on a weekly

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basis if I get out if the weather is

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decent enough and I can get out and get

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some pictures taken how did you go from

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becoming well from being a freelance

338
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travel photographer it's being a UFO

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often how did that well this is this is

340
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interesting now back in the early 60s

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and and this is part of the book

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actually the book opens with a little

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bit of history when I used to live there

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there was a story about a family who

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actually unfortunately encountered what

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we would consider a demon and knowing

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the background of the country having

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been through world war ii and the

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massacres that followed as a result of

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you know that war which i believe

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started in maybe 1940 41 or maybe 40

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even well we got britain got involved in

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1930 now 1939 okay yeah the jet the

354
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Germans attacked a Western Europe in

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1940 and then of course the Americans

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were were brought in after Pearl Harbor

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of course which was 19 December 1941 so

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and I dunno round about that same time

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December 41 early 1942 that's when the

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Japanese invaded the rest of a bit you

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know the Asian Asian area they including

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the Philippines

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and so my family personally was involved

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in that war there was a lot of

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devastation my grandfather who was a

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surgeon and pulmonary specialist was in

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a mass unit during that time there was a

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lot of people who were being obviously

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not just military but civilians who were

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being butchered killed the doctor the

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occupation was pretty extensive and when

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you look at that kind of a history

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there's actually a lot of undocumented

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cases of what had happened to the

375
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Philippine people that to this day if

376
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you were to visit there there you will

377
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see there's still a lot of resentment

378
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towards the Japanese because of all the

379
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relatives that were lost during the war

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my grandmother actually lost a brother

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who was garroted by the Japanese the

382
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house that they built and I will share

383
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this with you since your overseas

384
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I talked to Phillip about this and you

385
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know who are a little bit of there I was

386
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very reluctant to actually share a lot

387
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of my own personal information but I

388
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will share it here being that this is on

389
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the end of the other end of the globe

390
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and since I'm about ready to close the

391
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book on the current career that I have

392
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I'm looking at retiring in a couple of

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years if not much earlier than that the

394
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reason can I just say before you go any

395
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further

396
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the sure does go out in America does so

397
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it'll say it does yes so if you don't

398
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want to share it you don't better so I

399
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will say this I have a pen name for a

400
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reason and some of it is because some of

401
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the work that's in the book personally

402
00:20:42,050 --> 00:20:38,070
comes very close to me and and some of

403
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the situations there are very specific

404
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because the people who were there

405
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you counted them to me I am still in

406
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touch with and some are here actually

407
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living in the u.s. so for that reason I

408
00:21:02,150 --> 00:20:58,530
want to keep it obscure I've kept some

409
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of the locales pretty obscure although

410
00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:03,960
some of the readers that have reviewed

411
00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:05,820
it have kind of put two and two together

412
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:08,310
and say I recognize this little town

413
00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:12,450
that you're talking about and I know

414
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,180
exactly what it is and I don't mean to

415
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have people driving over there and you

416
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:20,940
know when when someone talks about a

417
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specific spot and it becomes publicized

418
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:25,890
they drive over they try and locate the

419
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:28,770
home and do whatever they want to do and

420
00:21:33,670 --> 00:21:31,170
I don't want that kind of you know

421
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:33,680
disruption in their lives because they

422
00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:38,700
respected me enough and really relaxed

423
00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:41,460
around me to be able to tell me all

424
00:21:46,910 --> 00:21:45,030
these details that perhaps they wouldn't

425
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:46,920
have told someone else and I don't know

426
00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:49,370
maybe I just have that kind of a face

427
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,590
but when I traveled Chryst you ask me

428
00:21:57,790 --> 00:21:55,440
about photography the one thing I did

429
00:22:00,890 --> 00:21:57,800
notice is that when I was in touch with

430
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:00,900
not just tourists but locals I was

431
00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:05,010
shared stories that you know for some of

432
00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:06,780
them they were reluctant to share but

433
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:09,900
when they heard my interest in it they

434
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:12,930
seemed to relax enough so that they then

435
00:22:19,670 --> 00:22:17,520
went into a narrative it's tough for

436
00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:19,680
them to tell these stories so I've also

437
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:23,580
changed their names I promised them I

438
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:27,570
would heat them pretty much you know

439
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:29,850
very different from the names that they

440
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:33,330
do actually have but I have preserved

441
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:35,970
the story to the best of my ability so

442
00:22:42,380 --> 00:22:38,970
that people will understand what happens

443
00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:42,390
you know when something tragic occurs

444
00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:46,440
and repeat violence happens something

445
00:22:51,530 --> 00:22:49,860
opens and my belief is that we have

446
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:51,540
several different levels of

447
00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:55,730
consciousness and these consciousness

448
00:23:01,730 --> 00:22:57,900
sometimes manifest themselves

449
00:23:04,790 --> 00:23:01,740
to us you know lesser beings as I would

450
00:23:06,860 --> 00:23:04,800
call it would manifest themselves to us

451
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:06,870
not necessarily to our liking and

452
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:09,090
they're not necessarily the benevolent

453
00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:11,340
kind because they are attracted to the

454
00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:16,740
negativity and and so that opens the

455
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:20,370
book to just this array of things that

456
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:24,690
happen to people some of them are

457
00:23:30,860 --> 00:23:28,650
actually a UFO in nature and some are et

458
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:30,870
contact I don't know what that says

459
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,410
about ETS I don't know if they're there

460
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:37,200
because they want to examine us for some

461
00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:39,450
of these cases it was very clear to me

462
00:23:47,150 --> 00:23:44,030
that they wanted to take these people

463
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:47,160
examine them in some extent or maybe

464
00:23:54,410 --> 00:23:49,050
just try and make contact to let them

465
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:54,420
know that they exist very interesting

466
00:23:58,670 --> 00:23:56,370
very interesting what do you think about

467
00:24:02,800 --> 00:23:58,680
that Phil well I mean you know what we

468
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:02,810
found well I certainly have and others

469
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:08,450
when you go to certain areas that have

470
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:10,890
phenomena take place there whatever you

471
00:24:18,050 --> 00:24:14,490
would like to label it out I think you

472
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:18,060
often find that if you like like Adele

473
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:21,720
has just been describing can't come when

474
00:24:27,410 --> 00:24:24,510
the you know when the locals over to

475
00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:27,420
confide in you and they trust you then

476
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:31,230
you know information comes about about

477
00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:33,090
all kinds of things that you were

478
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:35,870
probably not expecting at that point

479
00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:39,690
for example many years back my old

480
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:43,380
colleague Mark Birdsall and I went to

481
00:24:49,220 --> 00:24:46,530
investigate a UFO sighting in the

482
00:24:53,540 --> 00:24:49,230
Yorkshire Dales National Park and it was

483
00:24:57,740 --> 00:24:53,550
just a small village and you know we got

484
00:25:01,820 --> 00:24:57,750
a letter and we put in a phone call in

485
00:25:05,030 --> 00:25:01,830
so off we went and when we got there I

486
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:05,040
mean you know the village didn't even

487
00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:06,780
have any numbers on the door so we

488
00:25:10,940 --> 00:25:08,700
didn't know where to ask so we just

489
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:10,950
knocked on a door and asked for the

490
00:25:14,299 --> 00:25:12,510
gentleman's name

491
00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:14,309
and if they could tell us where he lived

492
00:25:20,659 --> 00:25:17,190
and and this allowed you come about the

493
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:20,669
the ghost dog what was that did you talk

494
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:23,610
about a UFO sighting but of course there

495
00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:25,860
was this they told us the story of where

496
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,700
they the these two red lights would

497
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:31,440
wander down the village which they

498
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:34,140
clusters the ghost dog and then when you

499
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:36,510
got to talking to locals in these areas

500
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:38,730
it was quite clear that there was a

501
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:43,140
whole range of phenomena and they're

502
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:46,440
given titles these areas in my day the

503
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:50,490
use of karlik window areas they're being

504
00:25:57,409 --> 00:25:53,880
called in certain places anomalous zones

505
00:26:00,770 --> 00:25:57,419
and of course today the word that's more

506
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:00,780
often use this portal which is rather

507
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:03,570
apt because that is the title of of

508
00:26:10,580 --> 00:26:08,400
Modell's book excel be some idea crease

509
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:10,590
oh I know exactly what she's talking

510
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:14,940
about in that Specter but what I'm quite

511
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:16,650
impressed with their Adelie so is the

512
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:18,690
fact that you are willing to go out and

513
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,390
change you know not put people's real

514
00:26:25,580 --> 00:26:23,760
name because that to me shows integrity

515
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,590
on your BR thank you and in the fact

516
00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:27,360
that you will get more people coming to

517
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:29,190
you because they know they can trust you

518
00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:31,650
which is what we want so we'll get more

519
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:34,200
information to people like themself

520
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:35,820
we'll puts it in a magazine like filler

521
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:37,890
brings it out in books like yourself or

522
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,850
writes about it

523
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:39,840
and we could share the information

524
00:26:46,340 --> 00:26:44,159
worldwide thank you thank you I try and

525
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:46,350
help them any way I can because of

526
00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:48,360
course when they share information like

527
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:51,929
this with you not only do they want to

528
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:54,450
be consoled some people felt like they

529
00:26:58,610 --> 00:26:56,610
were being singled out and then why me

530
00:27:03,140 --> 00:26:58,620
what why am I the one that's in this

531
00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:03,150
situation there was one and it's in the

532
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:06,750
book about a woman who ended up with

533
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:11,010
uterine cancer and and this was in the

534
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:14,340
context of a report that came across my

535
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:18,419
way when I was still in MUFON I was with

536
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:20,490
MUFON for about a year and a half I

537
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:23,460
trained in April and was hastily placed

538
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:25,650
in the field so to speak

539
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:27,720
mm-hmm you know of course my

540
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:30,360
investigative skills are not as good as

541
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:34,050
yours or Philips I pretty much call them

542
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:36,570
and I try to get as much information as

543
00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:40,650
I can you know and and then when when I

544
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:43,140
can I Drive over to the area and trying

545
00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:46,050
to take a look at what can be seen and

546
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:49,500
hopefully try to be there around the

547
00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:52,620
same time that the person saw the event

548
00:28:00,140 --> 00:27:55,220
or encountered whatever they encountered

549
00:28:03,050 --> 00:28:00,150
but during a dispatch report this woman

550
00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:03,060
who of course will go a name was very

551
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:04,260
tough for an explanation

552
00:28:14,030 --> 00:28:08,610
I heard terror in her voice she was very

553
00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:14,040
frantic sadly she lived alone and I will

554
00:28:21,380 --> 00:28:17,430
tell you that the house that she lived

555
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:21,390
in was in a remote area it's situated

556
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:23,700
towards the Canadian border I'll leave

557
00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:27,450
it at that and in that area there was a

558
00:28:34,820 --> 00:28:31,020
forest on one side a field on another so

559
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:34,830
that she was at least maybe three or

560
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:41,250
four miles away from the next home so as

561
00:28:47,780 --> 00:28:45,000
she calls I could tell that she was

562
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:47,790
trying to reach out to try to let me

563
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:50,610
know that the story that she was about

564
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:53,010
to tell was probably unbelievable but

565
00:28:59,710 --> 00:28:56,520
very real it actually just happened less

566
00:29:03,140 --> 00:28:59,720
than at the time 12 hours

567
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:03,150
from the first instance and then the

568
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:06,690
following evening it repeated itself but

569
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:10,170
what she saw was what we would call an

570
00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:14,490
insectoid it looked like a praying

571
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:18,420
mantis much taller than her we're

572
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:21,050
talking about a woman in her late 50s

573
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:24,810
who either was trying to diagnose a

574
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:28,530
condition she wasn't aware of or maybe

575
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:32,880
perhaps had placed something in her that

576
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:34,710
caused the malignancy and we'll never

577
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,150
so when you first met contr or somebody

578
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,200
makes contact with you how do you go

579
00:29:52,910 --> 00:29:51,120
about actually investigating that kind

580
00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:52,920
of incident now I know you said you call

581
00:29:57,530 --> 00:29:55,560
them up you speak if you go down speak

582
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:57,540
to them face at least if you cannot you

583
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:00,120
know and how would you go about checking

584
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:04,710
up ends when I was living on the case

585
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:08,340
came across my way through an email from

586
00:30:14,740 --> 00:30:11,010
the state director and it's usually

587
00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:14,750
within the area that is our area of

588
00:30:19,910 --> 00:30:18,030
assignment at the time when I was there

589
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:19,920
there was basically just two of us the

590
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:21,330
chaired the territory the other

591
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:24,480
gentleman would go high up as far as the

592
00:30:32,050 --> 00:30:27,720
next County and I was basically within

593
00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:32,060
the county so when it was it was a

594
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,590
rather difficult assignment because

595
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,480
sometimes it would come across my way at

596
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:39,000
6:00 p.m. sometimes it would come as

597
00:30:44,390 --> 00:30:42,510
late as 10 so when it was early enough I

598
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:44,400
would attempt to meet with them or

599
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:46,260
rendezvous with them being that I'm

600
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,390
alone as a woman and one never knows

601
00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:51,360
what's on the other end of the line okay

602
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:54,060
and so I would talk to them in a public

603
00:31:00,920 --> 00:30:57,960
spot an attempt to derive some type of

604
00:31:04,450 --> 00:31:00,930
either video or photograph or something

605
00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:04,460
and you know that's very difficult to do

606
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:07,620
in one instance I met the person at a

607
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,650
diner and they actually showed me a

608
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:15,360
videotape which they had taped on their

609
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:18,840
cell phone of the series of lights that

610
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:23,010
were following them home and and this

611
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:25,260
person you could tell had no reason to

612
00:31:30,620 --> 00:31:27,960
lie the girl was working in a full-time

613
00:31:32,450 --> 00:31:30,630
job so was her husband her husband

614
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:32,460
couldn't come but her husband encouraged

615
00:31:39,130 --> 00:31:34,500
her to tape it and you could see a

616
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:39,140
series of fixed lights following her

617
00:31:45,050 --> 00:31:43,200
home until you could hear the car door

618
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:45,060
slam she would come out into the

619
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:48,650
driveway and there it stayed stationary

620
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:51,480
that person ran into the house and

621
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:52,980
continued to T

622
00:31:57,009 --> 00:31:54,510
but through the kitchen window and

623
00:32:02,180 --> 00:31:57,019
that's what she took brought with her to

624
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:02,190
show me at the diner but it's it's one

625
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:04,200
thing to report it to me and it's

626
00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:06,450
another to actually follow through and

627
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:08,820
upload it onto the site which was part

628
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:12,659
of my frustration and then for some it

629
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:14,820
would just be a call now when I left

630
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:17,340
MUFON it's interesting because we had

631
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:20,460
this show that was a kind of like a

632
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:24,620
pilot he was called UFOs over Earth and

633
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:27,750
within days of when it was aired it

634
00:32:35,210 --> 00:32:30,830
happened it was taped in the summertime

635
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,220
towards the end of the UFO flap but by

636
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:37,620
the time it aired on the Discovery

637
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:41,220
Channel it was already Thanksgiving you

638
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:43,710
know we celebrate Thanksgiving here and

639
00:32:48,019 --> 00:32:46,110
win a couple of days there was a

640
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,029
gentleman who approached me and started

641
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:49,679
telling me stories that he would not

642
00:32:56,629 --> 00:32:54,360
report on the site so you know it became

643
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,639
one of those things where it was kind of

644
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:59,039
like a name recognition or a face

645
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:00,419
recognition and they would approach me

646
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:02,730
and report to me but then they would say

647
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:05,370
no I really don't want to report this

648
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:08,970
officially for one reason or another so

649
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:12,299
that's how would you solve it sorry and

650
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:14,100
I'll just going to ask what would you

651
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:17,220
find out some people they're a little

652
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:18,840
bit scared to come forward with the

653
00:33:23,899 --> 00:33:21,510
information because obviously you know

654
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:23,909
we get the ridicule factor oh yes we get

655
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:25,980
the then we get the you know the other

656
00:33:30,919 --> 00:33:28,769
side where the MRB of visiting etcetera

657
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:30,929
etcetera what would you found will be

658
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,559
the most people use one particular

659
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:37,200
excuse more than any other wish excuse

660
00:33:41,389 --> 00:33:38,970
with you found that they were afraid for

661
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:41,399
some reason that they would actually be

662
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:45,210
reported you know in their own name and

663
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:47,610
that somehow we would make it to the

664
00:33:53,629 --> 00:33:51,210
local paper and in the area that I live

665
00:33:56,629 --> 00:33:53,639
in it's composed of little small towns

666
00:33:58,759 --> 00:33:56,639
and within the small towns everybody

667
00:34:00,680 --> 00:33:58,769
knows everybody pretty much like the

668
00:34:03,769 --> 00:34:00,690
town I live everybody else you speak yes

669
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:03,779
yes and so yeah some people have jobs

670
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:07,769
that are a lot more visible than others

671
00:34:12,260 --> 00:34:10,139
and I will tell this to you since I'm

672
00:34:15,819 --> 00:34:12,270
not sharing any names or anything but I

673
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:15,829
was actually called into human resources

674
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:20,879
which led to my departure from MUFON I

675
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:23,849
was told that I had a position that was

676
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:27,060
visible and so I left and then from then

677
00:34:31,879 --> 00:34:29,220
on I started just compiling all this

678
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,889
information that I was encountering you

679
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,599
know Here I am with my camera I just

680
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:35,040
want to take pictures next thing you

681
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:36,599
know I'm sitting down to a meal with

682
00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:39,240
them and they're telling me stories yeah

683
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:42,839
I have an example of a similar event

684
00:34:50,839 --> 00:34:45,899
actually a young man who always known to

685
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:50,849
me and to Philip and first name Gary

686
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:53,369
that's all I'll say and I don't know he

687
00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:55,379
actually went on to become it work for

688
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,750
him lawyers I believe at one point are

689
00:35:02,809 --> 00:35:00,240
our barristers and because of the

690
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:02,819
position that he had investigating such

691
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:05,369
reports he actually asked me we used to

692
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:08,040
do in a magazine together at the time

693
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:10,290
which was a paper-based magazine only

694
00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:12,089
for the local people in the Kingston

695
00:35:17,329 --> 00:35:15,140
upon Hull area you're in HD ultra and

696
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:17,339
you know we actually have to come to me

697
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:19,050
and tell me they had to of his name

698
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,000
taking off it and have no association

699
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:22,800
with it because of the position that he

700
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:24,900
had you know the work that he had really

701
00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:28,800
saw it still goes on and what's

702
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:32,670
surprising to me is that despite the

703
00:35:40,220 --> 00:35:36,630
evidence and we we had quite a bit of

704
00:35:43,339 --> 00:35:40,230
evidence here during that flap and the

705
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,349
director himself had indicated that you

706
00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:45,119
know we had like a seven hundred percent

707
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:47,430
increase just in that one fine period of

708
00:35:54,349 --> 00:35:51,540
2008 and it continues to a point

709
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:54,359
probably not as much as it did back then

710
00:36:04,010 --> 00:35:59,010
but worldwide but I I think the people

711
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:04,020
are very afraid I think their fear has

712
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:08,160
taken over their ability to be open to

713
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:11,460
the information and that's what I see

714
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:15,839
the most on my end and and and there's

715
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:19,260
even a sense of persecution for some

716
00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:20,470
people to come for

717
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:25,060
and share what they've experienced you

718
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:27,250
know and someone who's very prominent to

719
00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:29,410
us right now you know one of Phillips

720
00:36:35,609 --> 00:36:31,660
books the gentleman there it took 45

721
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:35,619
years for him to finally come up with it

722
00:36:42,990 --> 00:36:40,440
because it is that difficult

723
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:43,000
yeah for those well listening and they

724
00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:44,740
don't know and were actually referring

725
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:47,500
to I don't think Phillip Ulm and if I

726
00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:50,410
said that's Calvin Parker exactly yeah I

727
00:36:54,990 --> 00:36:52,030
mean yeah he's coming to the UK and

728
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:55,000
seafood was the 17th in Calvin will be

729
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,450
in the country and you know as

730
00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:00,640
researchers we find this time and time

731
00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:03,700
again you know that I think more often

732
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:07,300
than not it's the fear of ridicule being

733
00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:09,730
paid you know metaphor love or laughter

734
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:14,140
and you know I was I'm quite fortunate I

735
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,190
mean my I've retired now I work in this

736
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:20,800
field full-time so I don't have a proper

737
00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:21,849
job anymore

738
00:37:29,609 --> 00:37:23,830
come and join as a down I know you be

739
00:37:33,780 --> 00:37:29,619
joining us soon I would I work for the

740
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:33,790
Halifax Bank for 16 years it was taken

741
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:37,599
over by by Lloyds and they were quite

742
00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:41,020
the opposite I mean I even lectured the

743
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:42,820
building that I worked out you know I

744
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:44,710
had 1,200 people work there and I

745
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:47,770
elected twice there and even wrote a

746
00:37:53,099 --> 00:37:49,570
couple of articles for their sort of

747
00:37:55,470 --> 00:37:53,109
internal magazine that they had so they

748
00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:55,480
didn't bother them you know what so I

749
00:37:59,790 --> 00:37:57,369
wasn't in a position of our authority I

750
00:38:02,910 --> 00:37:59,800
was just one of the you know the minions

751
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:02,920
there sir but they never batted an

752
00:38:07,650 --> 00:38:06,010
eyelid had that the mick dominions of

753
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:07,660
the important ones feel because they get

754
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:13,330
the way but you know we've come across

755
00:38:17,849 --> 00:38:15,910
it time and time again you know someone

756
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:17,859
said well I'll tell you this but please

757
00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:19,720
don't use my name don't publish here

758
00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:22,060
what you know and and you respect that

759
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:25,750
and but it's usually more often than not

760
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:28,450
I think I call it the giggle factor you

761
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,190
know they're afraid of being being

762
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:36,650
and I can understand that but this goal

763
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:40,980
sort of in in peaks and troughs because

764
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:44,130
I remember for example when people like

765
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:48,660
dr. John Mack made his interest in the

766
00:38:53,870 --> 00:38:50,490
subject well-known you know a Harvard

767
00:38:55,820 --> 00:38:53,880
professor and around about the same time

768
00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:55,830
here in the UK we had Nick Pope at the

769
00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:57,540
Ministry of Defense and I think that

770
00:39:04,850 --> 00:39:01,800
changed things because the media not not

771
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:04,860
all of them but the media in general at

772
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:07,500
that point I've talked in early 90s mid

773
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:12,300
90s took a more serious look at the

774
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:15,480
subject and I think when when you know

775
00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:17,700
the people at large see that you know

776
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:20,030
the subject is being treated seriously

777
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:23,160
then that in turn encourages them to

778
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:26,040
either go on the record officially or

779
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,220
unofficially you know and of course I

780
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:31,260
don't think we're in one of those peaks

781
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:32,790
at the moment where it's being taken

782
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:35,250
that seriously but I don't think what in

783
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:39,780
a trough either if we think back to not

784
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:41,630
this Christmas gone but the year before

785
00:39:47,780 --> 00:39:45,630
with the the attic article in The New

786
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:47,790
York Times about the Department of

787
00:39:52,940 --> 00:39:50,490
Defense's secret UFO study I mean that

788
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:52,950
was unheard of the New York Times and

789
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:55,710
one of the most critical publications

790
00:40:02,660 --> 00:39:57,510
there are when it comes to the UFO

791
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:02,670
subject and so you know it does it just

792
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:04,440
you know the flavor of the of the month

793
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:08,010
does change and frig's another example I

794
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:10,910
was just just reading an old magazine

795
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:13,560
that we used we used to publish Chris

796
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,010
had a piece in it and and he talked

797
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:19,920
about weekly schreiber and of course

798
00:40:25,820 --> 00:40:22,970
Whitley's book sold in the millions

799
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:25,830
around the world he's an international

800
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:27,780
bestseller and of course he appeared on

801
00:40:33,580 --> 00:40:30,900
talk shows prime-time television long

802
00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:33,590
before the internet but what he did

803
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:37,230
encouraged others yeah to go on the

804
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,990
record to see here the gentleman he's

805
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:42,480
speaking quite rationally he's not a

806
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:43,170
fruitcake

807
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:45,630
yes the were certain TV show to try to

808
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:46,680
make a fool of

809
00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:49,590
but in he never rolls to that you know I

810
00:40:56,060 --> 00:40:51,870
think that's a great credit to him he

811
00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:56,070
kept his composure and and so and again

812
00:41:00,440 --> 00:40:58,020
you know our own little way Chris you

813
00:41:02,180 --> 00:41:00,450
know when we're not like that but in our

814
00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:02,190
own little way where we treat the

815
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:06,870
subject seriously and and in in a

816
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:10,950
respectful manner then people are more

817
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:13,920
inclined to come forward and perhaps

818
00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:16,680
talk to us and that's one of the that's

819
00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:18,030
one of the reasons why we've published

820
00:41:23,780 --> 00:41:20,430
these books while we have these podcasts

821
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:23,790
and so on exactly exactly

822
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:27,720
sir than Adele what Willie's discovering

823
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:29,850
of this information how long ago did you

824
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:32,250
start to gather the information for what

825
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:36,210
has become your new book portal that was

826
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:40,500
actually early in the game even before I

827
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,170
joined move on sequentially in terms of

828
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:48,960
events I started writing things down as

829
00:42:00,880 --> 00:41:54,660
early as the 70s there is a chapter in

830
00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:00,890
the book that talks about an event that

831
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:03,990
was something that was observed by

832
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:08,730
several people and it had to do with a

833
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:11,610
family member who came home to the

834
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:14,520
Philippines on a visit and I'll tell you

835
00:42:23,330 --> 00:42:20,850
now that was me only to discover what

836
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:23,340
had led to her father's demise my

837
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:26,730
father's the mice okay

838
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:29,310
and and Philip knows this I think you

839
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:33,330
know this Philip my father committed

840
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:40,380
suicide all right yes because this was

841
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:43,050
way back in the 60s and it was something

842
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:46,500
that only he could see to this day we

843
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:48,810
don't know if it was a demonic horse or

844
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:51,060
whether it was a Mothman we don't even

845
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:54,030
know what a Mothman is okay so we don't

846
00:43:00,480 --> 00:42:57,920
really know the nature of this creature

847
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:00,490
which appeared

848
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:02,770
me from all the information I've

849
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:06,730
gathered to be discarded so here I am I

850
00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:09,850
went home to visit this was in the late

851
00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:12,580
70s only to discover all these things

852
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:14,200
that I had in my head that was never

853
00:43:22,859 --> 00:43:18,180
verified was actually in black and white

854
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:22,869
doing the course and uh going back I'll

855
00:43:27,150 --> 00:43:25,330
tell you the whole thing

856
00:43:30,690 --> 00:43:27,160
it was never shared with me that he had

857
00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:30,700
committed suicide number one it was

858
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:32,590
never shared with me the method by which

859
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:35,890
he committed suicide it was shared with

860
00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:38,800
me the number of events that led to it

861
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:41,830
and the events that came after most of

862
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:43,210
the people that have shared it with me

863
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:44,950
are still living today and which is why

864
00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:48,250
I altered all their names during this

865
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,260
dinner during this visit in which I

866
00:43:54,990 --> 00:43:52,960
visited my grandfather's house my

867
00:43:58,050 --> 00:43:55,000
paternal grandfather's house

868
00:44:01,080 --> 00:43:58,060
my father's father this is when he was

869
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:01,090
alive there were servants in the house

870
00:44:07,849 --> 00:44:04,030
who were preparing the meal and the

871
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:07,859
house is very old it was probably built

872
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:11,710
early 1900s not to bore you with history

873
00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:15,850
but no yeah so it was coming to dust and

874
00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:18,100
you know just like in the UK and the

875
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:20,230
rest of Europe we don't really eat our

876
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:24,609
meals until well into 8:00 p.m. so you

877
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:27,310
know we usually have a snack time or

878
00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:30,250
Spanish merienda around 4:00 4:30 in the

879
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:31,000
afternoon

880
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:34,210
which i think is like your tea time we

881
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,570
we we have the same traditions so people

882
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:40,480
really don't sit until 8:00 the Sun is

883
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,190
still partially out around that time I

884
00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:44,800
think the time when I visited it was

885
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:47,830
close to what they would call the fall

886
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:51,520
in the US so maybe was getting a little

887
00:44:57,150 --> 00:44:53,890
bit on the edge of darkness by the time

888
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,160
we sat at 8:30 the meal was just being

889
00:45:01,560 --> 00:44:59,440
taken out there's a series of windows to

890
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:01,570
face the dining table the dining table

891
00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:05,369
can accommodate up to about 14 people

892
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:08,680
there was probably one two three just

893
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,270
thinking off the top of my head about

894
00:45:14,350 --> 00:45:13,200
eight of us gathered around the table

895
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,360
most

896
00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:16,160
my father's siblings had already

897
00:45:23,580 --> 00:45:19,430
dispersed around the globe one lives

898
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:23,590
there in the UK as a matter of fact and

899
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:28,490
as we were starting the meal we heard a

900
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:31,910
humming sound and Philip I think you

901
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:40,560
and then all the windows simultaneously

902
00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:47,200
opened the woman who was my father's

903
00:45:52,510 --> 00:45:50,540
sister-in-law had just put on the table

904
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:52,520
in front of me my father's death

905
00:45:57,250 --> 00:45:55,250
certificate and for the first time in

906
00:46:02,350 --> 00:45:57,260
black and white on the gap their

907
00:46:04,330 --> 00:46:02,360
certificate were the words accentuation

908
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:04,340
I don't know if I'm pronouncing that

909
00:46:16,990 --> 00:46:11,170
he had bled to death as a result of his

910
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,000
act and date and time of death was there

911
00:46:24,010 --> 00:46:18,880
that was the first time it was actually

912
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:24,020
validated to me the time she put that

913
00:46:33,730 --> 00:46:28,640
down and when I read it something came

914
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:33,740
over me the whole entire room must have

915
00:46:42,820 --> 00:46:37,910
descended by 30 degrees to almost

916
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:42,830
freezing all the windows opened and

917
00:46:45,790 --> 00:46:44,810
we're talking from one end of the room

918
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:45,800
to the other

919
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:51,920
and roaches roaches just flew into the

920
00:47:01,330 --> 00:46:56,930
room we're talking like the swarm we're

921
00:47:04,450 --> 00:47:01,340
talking hundreds and hundreds of roaches

922
00:47:06,570 --> 00:47:04,460
I mean you can feel them you can see

923
00:47:11,710 --> 00:47:06,580
them you can smell them so they're real

924
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:11,720
and everybody stood up was running for

925
00:47:16,930 --> 00:47:14,150
cover the servants came back into the

926
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:16,940
room they were trying to cover the food

927
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:22,370
and everything else to make a long story

928
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:26,030
short that was when I decided to sit

929
00:47:33,820 --> 00:47:29,680
down and chronicle everything

930
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:33,830
that I had heard from people that I

931
00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:38,480
myself have encountered and the stories

932
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:43,400
that went after that up to all the way

933
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:45,890
to the present time I think the latest

934
00:47:53,260 --> 00:47:48,890
story in the book I just got about two

935
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,270
years ago maybe less so does the book

936
00:47:58,780 --> 00:47:55,760
itself does it concentrate on these kind

937
00:48:01,480 --> 00:47:58,790
of stories are history UFO theme to it

938
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,490
or is it the demonic or is he just

939
00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:04,880
anything that he's strange and what we

940
00:48:08,830 --> 00:48:06,830
call unusual in this paranormal world

941
00:48:11,170 --> 00:48:08,840
that is a very interesting question

942
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:11,180
Chris because in part of the book the

943
00:48:16,690 --> 00:48:14,630
first encounter with a UFO had to do

944
00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:16,700
with a woman who was living in the

945
00:48:22,450 --> 00:48:20,630
Philippines and I will tell you that

946
00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:22,460
there's a smattering of everything in

947
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:24,260
there we even have a story about a woman

948
00:48:29,710 --> 00:48:26,630
who lives alone who encountered what she

949
00:48:32,349 --> 00:48:29,720
thought was Bigfoot so we've got

950
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:32,359
cryptids in there we've got elves and

951
00:48:42,099 --> 00:48:36,050
dwarves we've got I have my own

952
00:48:47,050 --> 00:48:42,109
sightings there of UFOs later on in the

953
00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:47,060
book but there's everything in there the

954
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:50,750
first one was a ce2 and and for people

955
00:48:54,609 --> 00:48:52,730
who were in the general audience to see

956
00:48:59,079 --> 00:48:54,619
to is where there's kind of evidence

957
00:49:03,510 --> 00:48:59,089
some type of physical evidence the woman

958
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:03,520
who encountered this UFO above her home

959
00:49:10,349 --> 00:49:07,010
she was leaning against the window to

960
00:49:14,620 --> 00:49:10,359
try to see why it was as bright as day

961
00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:14,630
there was a overhang which was the roof

962
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:16,820
of the house and in a tropical country

963
00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:19,690
you have a roof that extends well over

964
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,380
the window because you know not only are

965
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,000
you shielding it from the Sun you're

966
00:49:30,820 --> 00:49:28,160
also shielding it from the rains you

967
00:49:32,410 --> 00:49:30,830
know what we call monsoons so she's

968
00:49:35,859 --> 00:49:32,420
leaning over and suddenly we've got

969
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,869
nothing but brightness she's squinting

970
00:49:40,089 --> 00:49:38,240
at that point not realizing it was

971
00:49:41,650 --> 00:49:40,099
having an effect on her and the next

972
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:41,660
thing you know she felt and then

973
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:46,190
incredible desire to sleep so she then

974
00:49:50,410 --> 00:49:48,710
goes back to the room promptly lies down

975
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:50,420
and the next thing you know it's morning

976
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:54,850
and then she gets up she's dizzy she's

977
00:49:59,620 --> 00:49:58,130
disoriented her daughter comes knocking

978
00:50:00,460 --> 00:49:59,630
on her door cuz she obviously had

979
00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:00,470
overslept

980
00:50:08,620 --> 00:50:02,870
she opens the door and the woman says

981
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:08,630
you've got a ten not to laugh but she

982
00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:14,150
had burns on her face from whatever it

983
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:16,180
was that she had seen the night before

984
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:20,090
she know clearly yet if she must have

985
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:22,130
been outside the building then to get

986
00:50:25,630 --> 00:50:24,050
this count of been all this time

987
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:25,640
to her you know you don't get that from

988
00:50:31,060 --> 00:50:27,410
sitting in the bedroom hear it you know

989
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:31,070
ya know and she was at a loss to see

990
00:50:36,490 --> 00:50:34,610
what it was that had cost that on her

991
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,500
face all she knew was that she was

992
00:50:41,830 --> 00:50:38,960
leaving you know with casement windows

993
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:41,840
you know what they are they're they tend

994
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:45,140
to be rather deep and in her eagerness

995
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:46,910
to figure out what it was instead of

996
00:50:51,310 --> 00:50:49,070
venturing out of the house because she

997
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:51,320
was already on the second floor you know

998
00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:54,170
in her bit clothes she had leaned all

999
00:50:59,470 --> 00:50:56,270
the way over to try and see what it was

1000
00:51:00,700 --> 00:50:59,480
and the only thing she noted that was

1001
00:51:03,220 --> 00:51:00,710
different was that there was total

1002
00:51:04,930 --> 00:51:03,230
silence all around her you normally when

1003
00:51:06,940 --> 00:51:04,940
your windows are open you have crickets

1004
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:06,950
you with your frog he would hear all

1005
00:51:14,590 --> 00:51:10,010
kinds of things in the night this was

1006
00:51:16,930 --> 00:51:14,600
dead silent except for this light but

1007
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:16,940
the light was also silent whatever was

1008
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:19,610
up there was also silent so apparently

1009
00:51:27,490 --> 00:51:22,480
she was exposed not realizing it and

1010
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:27,500
ended up going to the doctor I mean this

1011
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:29,690
is straight hard Close Encounters is it

1012
00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:33,200
not you know it's wrong nearly all over

1013
00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:35,390
again you know being been burnt on his

1014
00:51:40,570 --> 00:51:38,600
face I don't remember the scene where

1015
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:40,580
he's he's children take the mickey out

1016
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:42,170
of him in the car I say it looks like a

1017
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:45,410
50/50 bar you know I had to work that

1018
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:48,250
Alex we don't have a 50/50 bar yeah I

1019
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:52,610
assumed it's it's you know dark and

1020
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:56,040
white chocolate or some description but

1021
00:52:02,310 --> 00:51:58,690
they you know it come it's right out of

1022
00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:02,320
close encounters so can I ask something

1023
00:52:09,090 --> 00:52:04,840
Adele I mean I mean I don't this is

1024
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:09,100
something I get asked on a regular basis

1025
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:12,250
is how did you first become interested

1026
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,310
in this subject you know me I look back

1027
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:18,160
and I've always been interested in what

1028
00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:22,330
we what we term the paranormal so what

1029
00:52:27,810 --> 00:52:25,990
how could you get interested I think I

1030
00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:27,820
got interested because there was so much

1031
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,140
of it around me the very first encounter

1032
00:52:38,850 --> 00:52:34,720
I had that I had actually seen something

1033
00:52:42,210 --> 00:52:38,860
of an unusual nature is I was actually

1034
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:42,220
sitting in the living room of my

1035
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:45,130
grandmother's house and a few steps from

1036
00:52:53,070 --> 00:52:48,790
me was the front door and the front door

1037
00:52:54,570 --> 00:52:53,080
would be open as it is in the tropical

1038
00:52:56,580 --> 00:52:54,580
country you know the windows are open

1039
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:56,590
the front door is open you're allowing

1040
00:53:00,780 --> 00:52:58,930
the breezes to come in and it was

1041
00:53:05,070 --> 00:53:00,790
approaching Twilight and that's when

1042
00:53:10,530 --> 00:53:05,080
these things start to happen somehow the

1043
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:10,540
Sun is a protection without the Sun we

1044
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:18,160
have anything that can visit on us but I

1045
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:20,530
would say the first time I had ever

1046
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:22,570
actually seen something well that was

1047
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,040
not alive or what we would consider this

1048
00:53:34,530 --> 00:53:29,680
garnet was at the edge of my eye I

1049
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:34,540
distinctly heard someone running right

1050
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:38,410
outside the door and we have a front

1051
00:53:45,450 --> 00:53:41,490
door that faces out into a driveway

1052
00:53:47,820 --> 00:53:45,460
someone was running in slippers and when

1053
00:53:50,610 --> 00:53:47,830
I say slippers were talking and what the

1054
00:53:54,210 --> 00:53:50,620
Americans would call flip-flops you know

1055
00:53:56,370 --> 00:53:54,220
you put your toe your two toes in

1056
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:56,380
between in order to secure the slipper

1057
00:54:01,020 --> 00:53:58,450
and people usually wear that in the

1058
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:01,030
summertime on the beach whoever it was

1059
00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:03,540
was running rapidly from the backyard

1060
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:07,390
down towards the front yard which is

1061
00:54:13,289 --> 00:54:08,710
where a car park

1062
00:54:18,329 --> 00:54:13,299
and it went past the open door I turned

1063
00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:18,339
in time to see a gentleman who was

1064
00:54:29,730 --> 00:54:22,420
wearing black pants and a white t-shirt

1065
00:54:34,829 --> 00:54:29,740
and it was in tatters and he proceeded

1066
00:54:38,430 --> 00:54:34,839
to jump over the gate and his slipper

1067
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:38,440
his slippered foot caught the edge of

1068
00:54:48,210 --> 00:54:45,130
the gate and the gate made a sound so my

1069
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:48,220
uncle who at the time was standing right

1070
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:51,910
outside by the car turned around and saw

1071
00:55:01,339 --> 00:54:54,609
it he opened the gate there was no one

1072
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:01,349
out there there was no one out there

1073
00:55:07,289 --> 00:55:04,089
very similar I mean it's similar to

1074
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:07,299
myself I mean I didn't see anything or

1075
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:09,420
no or anything like that when I was a

1076
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:13,839
youngster but my mom Adele came from a

1077
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:17,490
very rural part of Northern Ireland and

1078
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:22,930
when she was a young girl she told me

1079
00:55:28,460 --> 00:55:26,200
the story of meeting a fairy you know

1080
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:28,470
down by the stream that ran on the

1081
00:55:34,260 --> 00:55:32,410
property there lived in and I mean she

1082
00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:34,270
told me the full story about it she told

1083
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:38,230
my children so that was always around me

1084
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:42,400
and it's fascinating to listen to that

1085
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:44,710
and and and compare the different

1086
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:48,130
cultures there's no way well where I was

1087
00:55:57,329 --> 00:55:49,569
brought would you sat around leaving

1088
00:56:01,079 --> 00:55:57,339
your daughter you might turn you bucking

1089
00:56:03,089 --> 00:56:01,089
you'd have no furniture left but but

1090
00:56:06,140 --> 00:56:03,099
having said that whenever we had a

1091
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:06,150
thunderstorm my mom would always open

1092
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:10,450
the front door because she said that one

1093
00:56:15,779 --> 00:56:12,760
time in Ireland you know a fireball came

1094
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:15,789
down the chimney and shot across the

1095
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:18,910
room and out the front door so no matter

1096
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:21,930
how cold or what it was if we had a

1097
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:23,970
Thunder so my mom would always oak leave

1098
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:27,660
the front door open and so you know

1099
00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:30,420
whether that played a part on on me

1100
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:32,790
gaining interest out I don't really know

1101
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:37,619
could have been I think my mom certainly

1102
00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:40,170
had an influence in that area it was

1103
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:42,809
interesting when he talked about your

1104
00:56:48,620 --> 00:56:46,380
late father and how he passed away Adele

1105
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,630
I'm a chris mentioned Calvin Parker

1106
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:51,359
earlier on for those were not aware

1107
00:56:59,380 --> 00:56:55,260
Calvin had the a encounter in Pascagoula

1108
00:57:02,480 --> 00:56:59,390
with Charles Hickson in 1973 however

1109
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:02,490
many years later I mean Calvin was

1110
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:04,890
literally haunted by what had happened

1111
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:07,980
to him Adele was even members of his own

1112
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:11,609
family he it wouldn't tell them if they

1113
00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:13,530
knew the general sort of story of what

1114
00:57:17,569 --> 00:57:16,380
did read in the paper or whatever but he

1115
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:17,579
wouldn't go into it and there was a

1116
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:20,490
point and I don't think he'll mind me

1117
00:57:26,420 --> 00:57:23,730
telling this but he has made it public

1118
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:26,430
knowledge that he contemplated suicide

1119
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:30,480
and he actually found his insurance

1120
00:57:37,460 --> 00:57:33,510
company his life insurer honest to check

1121
00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:37,470
to see if it was covered for suicide and

1122
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:41,790
he wasn't so Calvin thought alright I'll

1123
00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:43,619
have to somebody will have to kill me

1124
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:45,660
and he literally said I went into a cat

1125
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:48,510
a local cowboy bar picked a fight with

1126
00:57:53,059 --> 00:57:51,240
half a dozen Cowboys and the beat the

1127
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,069
living daylights out of him but they

1128
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,400
didn't kill him and he laughs at it now

1129
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:58,319
he said because he says I'm so stupid

1130
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:01,380
I'm so dumb to beat me so much i

1131
00:58:06,049 --> 00:58:04,010
staggered out of the door our so

1132
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:06,059
disorientated I spun around and

1133
00:58:15,319 --> 00:58:12,930
staggered back in and then you know is

1134
00:58:18,260 --> 00:58:15,329
his wife you know way net would tell me

1135
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:18,270
how how it affected him she said for

1136
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:21,240
example I mean he's a quiet hard-working

1137
00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:24,480
fella will have a you know maybe a

1138
00:58:27,530 --> 00:58:26,190
couple of beers with his meal

1139
00:58:30,829 --> 00:58:27,540
occasionally he's not a big drinker

1140
00:58:33,410 --> 00:58:30,839
never has been but she asked him to go

1141
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:33,420
out one day to pick up some collect some

1142
00:58:41,779 --> 00:58:35,849
bread and he came back a week

1143
00:58:44,749 --> 00:58:41,789
later you know he ended up in some awful

1144
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:44,759
spot and again got the living daylights

1145
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,210
beaten out of him but it's how this

1146
00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:50,880
experience actually affected him this is

1147
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:53,400
what it was he and he's it's taken him

1148
00:58:58,819 --> 00:58:55,559
all those years to learn how to deal

1149
00:59:04,009 --> 00:58:58,829
with it and I know it was one of the

1150
00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:04,019
things when I was working on my first

1151
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:06,119
book my first book was called without

1152
00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:10,380
consent and it deals only with alien

1153
00:59:16,249 --> 00:59:13,799
abduction accounts here in the UK and it

1154
00:59:19,309 --> 00:59:16,259
was so again pre-internet days so I

1155
00:59:22,249 --> 00:59:19,319
literally traveled up and down the

1156
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:22,259
country interviewing people you know in

1157
00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:26,249
person and some of these work world

1158
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:28,950
cases that we already knew of some were

1159
00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:32,940
not were brand new and one of the things

1160
00:59:37,219 --> 00:59:35,220
that dawned on me be - it took quite a

1161
00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:37,229
while I wasn't I wasn't clever enough to

1162
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:42,150
realize it at at an early stage that you

1163
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:45,710
know people like me weren't capable of

1164
00:59:50,749 --> 00:59:47,930
helping these people

1165
00:59:53,660 --> 00:59:50,759
you know they needed to speak to someone

1166
00:59:55,489 --> 00:59:53,670
in a professional nature and I don't

1167
00:59:57,380 --> 00:59:55,499
mean when I say professional I don't

1168
00:59:59,509 --> 00:59:57,390
know what Eddie would you would call

1169
01:00:03,529 --> 00:59:59,519
professional Brian I know there were

1170
01:00:07,479 --> 01:00:03,539
times when I certainly felt extremely

1171
01:00:11,329 --> 01:00:07,489
out of my depth but having said that

1172
01:00:15,259 --> 01:00:11,339
what I did learn was that a lot of

1173
01:00:18,859 --> 01:00:15,269
people were grateful that someone like

1174
01:00:21,759 --> 01:00:18,869
me would spend the time and trouble to

1175
01:00:25,759 --> 01:00:21,769
go and speak to them and to be and

1176
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:25,769
listen to them and and and not laugh you

1177
01:00:31,489 --> 01:00:28,049
know and don't put them down and not

1178
01:00:33,499 --> 01:00:31,499
offer an explanation either because I'd

1179
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:33,509
been as I remember speaking to one

1180
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:35,700
particular lady and she'd spoke to

1181
01:00:40,339 --> 01:00:38,609
someone but before me and she said and

1182
01:00:42,739 --> 01:00:40,349
she was quite surprised she said oh well

1183
01:00:45,620 --> 01:00:42,749
the chap I spoke to before he told me

1184
01:00:49,279 --> 01:00:45,630
that this is what had happened to me you

1185
01:00:49,790 --> 01:00:49,289
know and I I I didn't you know I would

1186
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:49,800
know

1187
01:00:55,310 --> 01:00:52,110
dream of doing that I said well what do

1188
01:00:57,740 --> 01:00:55,320
you think happened to you and of course

1189
01:01:00,860 --> 01:00:57,750
it was something entirely different but

1190
01:01:03,380 --> 01:01:00,870
yeah I did feel completely out of my

1191
01:01:06,620 --> 01:01:03,390
depth at times but you know I was a

1192
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:06,630
young man I think I've learnt my lesson

1193
01:01:12,740 --> 01:01:09,720
in that respect did you become anything

1194
01:01:16,790 --> 01:01:12,750
did you ever have that feeling at all

1195
01:01:19,070 --> 01:01:16,800
Adele I do all the time Philip and and

1196
01:01:20,780 --> 01:01:19,080
when you say you feel like it's out of

1197
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:20,790
your depth you could just imagine how I

1198
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:22,530
feel when they tell me these stories

1199
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:25,850
because I'm really you know not

1200
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:29,910
officially an investigator I'm mostly a

1201
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:32,730
person who just listens and and learned

1202
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:35,490
how to interview because of the career

1203
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:38,280
that I had trained for you know I'm

1204
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:41,010
trained as a therapist as a school

1205
01:01:48,740 --> 01:01:45,510
counselor and because of that you know I

1206
01:01:51,020 --> 01:01:48,750
I try and eat things out of people I

1207
01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:51,030
mean obviously not by force they because

1208
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:54,390
they share information willingly but I

1209
01:01:59,450 --> 01:01:57,570
think it's hard I know Chris you had

1210
01:02:04,190 --> 01:01:59,460
asked when did it all begin I it's hard

1211
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:04,200
to pinpoint and I know for you Philip it

1212
01:02:10,850 --> 01:02:07,980
is to to to understand where the

1213
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:10,860
interest actually came from I know they

1214
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:14,910
were catalyzing events synchronicities

1215
01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:19,260
if you will call it I had some events

1216
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:21,870
that were actual miracles in in my

1217
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:25,110
personal life and and something is

1218
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:29,610
cluing me and that I need to share with

1219
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:35,040
the world that what you see and hear and

1220
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:38,960
feel is not all that there is to reality

1221
01:02:47,090 --> 01:02:44,310
and and that pushes me forward and when

1222
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:47,100
I meet people you know through other

1223
01:02:51,980 --> 01:02:49,950
people they'll say you know she has all

1224
01:02:53,810 --> 01:02:51,990
these uncanny stories you should sit

1225
01:02:56,210 --> 01:02:53,820
down and listen to what happened yadda

1226
01:02:59,570 --> 01:02:56,220
yadda yadda and you know she talked it

1227
01:03:02,030 --> 01:02:59,580
and then that in it all begins and then

1228
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:02,040
they add on their own story and of

1229
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:03,390
course they asked me a

1230
01:03:11,630 --> 01:03:07,440
the end what was that about you know

1231
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:11,640
what what what was there what is it you

1232
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:13,170
know these questions that they asked me

1233
01:03:19,549 --> 01:03:16,970
that I had no answer for one thing I did

1234
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:19,559
Adela and I never published this it was

1235
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:22,680
after where I wrote the book and what I

1236
01:03:29,269 --> 01:03:24,809
did I wrote to a number of what we'd

1237
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:29,279
call a beauties and I just asked them

1238
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,130
you know it was a it's not scientific I

1239
01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:34,319
know that was only a small sample and I

1240
01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:37,950
said what do you think is the nature and

1241
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:41,369
origin of your experience or experiences

1242
01:03:44,509 --> 01:03:42,720
just spent depending on who I was

1243
01:03:48,740 --> 01:03:44,519
speaking and I gave him a number of

1244
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,750
options and it was it was it was

1245
01:03:52,099 --> 01:03:50,400
surprised as some came back and said

1246
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:52,109
yeah I definitely thought these were an

1247
01:03:59,059 --> 01:03:55,500
80 encounter some thought they would

1248
01:04:01,609 --> 01:03:59,069
have a spiritual nature most of them

1249
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:01,619
just said I don't know you know I'm just

1250
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:04,680
looking for for answers that's why I

1251
01:04:11,210 --> 01:04:08,160
decided to speak up or to seek out was

1252
01:04:13,609 --> 01:04:11,220
to try and find the answers I mean one

1253
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:13,619
young man who lived in Wales he thought

1254
01:04:20,539 --> 01:04:18,240
it must be the Russians you know this

1255
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:20,549
has been a physical thing and it wasn't

1256
01:04:24,170 --> 01:04:22,920
pleasant for him so the bad guys at the

1257
01:04:26,839 --> 01:04:24,180
time were the Russians

1258
01:04:28,910 --> 01:04:26,849
he didn't it didn't believe that but

1259
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:28,920
that was the way he rationalized it and

1260
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:31,440
I was quite happy to to leave that with

1261
01:04:36,490 --> 01:04:33,089
him that that you're not enabled I mean

1262
01:04:39,289 --> 01:04:36,500
he was a young man I'll never forget and

1263
01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:39,299
he was quite traumatized by what had

1264
01:04:45,549 --> 01:04:42,900
happened to him and it was live still

1265
01:04:49,099 --> 01:04:45,559
living at home with his with his mom and

1266
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:49,109
he didn't have regressive hypnosis what

1267
01:04:54,109 --> 01:04:52,049
he had to have was hypnotherapy because

1268
01:04:57,079 --> 01:04:54,119
he had nightmares about what had

1269
01:05:00,680 --> 01:04:57,089
happened so the hypnotherapy was to take

1270
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:00,690
away the nightmares and by the time I

1271
01:05:04,759 --> 01:05:02,910
wrote the book what I did most of the

1272
01:05:07,569 --> 01:05:04,769
people that I mentioned in there I

1273
01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:07,579
actually sent them a complimentary copy

1274
01:05:13,099 --> 01:05:11,400
and I said this this this chap I call

1275
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,109
him Nigel that's not his real name I

1276
01:05:17,390 --> 01:05:15,839
sent him a copy and I got our letter

1277
01:05:19,340 --> 01:05:17,400
back thanking me for it

1278
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:19,350
but he didn't actually read it for about

1279
01:05:24,350 --> 01:05:22,440
four or five years because it's it still

1280
01:05:26,780 --> 01:05:24,360
bothered him and by the time you read it

1281
01:05:31,330 --> 01:05:26,790
he'd grown up he got mine and started

1282
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:31,340
his own family but it took him an awful

1283
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:34,110
long time to come to terms with it

1284
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:39,720
but I've also seen it in in in Reverse I

1285
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,570
do I remember one and I'm gonna ask you

1286
01:05:46,820 --> 01:05:44,400
about this in a moment but I was part of

1287
01:05:49,970 --> 01:05:46,830
the British UFO research Association for

1288
01:05:54,350 --> 01:05:49,980
a long while and you know I was their

1289
01:05:57,410 --> 01:05:54,360
director of investigations and I

1290
01:06:07,490 --> 01:05:57,420
remember in in the northeast of England

1291
01:06:10,370 --> 01:06:07,500
was a case honest Assessor a young man

1292
01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:10,380
who was on our list of investigators -

1293
01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:13,020
we can pause and go we can pause if you

1294
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:14,310
want to and just come back to this

1295
01:06:23,570 --> 01:06:16,170
little bit if you want to if you want to

1296
01:06:25,580 --> 01:06:23,580
get the phone let's carry on this sorry

1297
01:06:28,310 --> 01:06:25,590
to ensure life as I was saying in the

1298
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:28,320
northeast of England without this case

1299
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:29,940
come in and I sent this young man along

1300
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:32,010
I want to see young it wasn't you know a

1301
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:35,210
teenager he's well into his twenties and

1302
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:38,160
then a couple of days later I knew it

1303
01:06:43,310 --> 01:06:40,110
was arranging an appointment to go and

1304
01:06:46,550 --> 01:06:43,320
speak to this person sorry I'm up now

1305
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:46,560
somehow he'd gone on and he quit he quit

1306
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:50,330
on the spot what the told him terrified

1307
01:06:59,060 --> 01:06:56,730
building daylights out of him and he

1308
01:07:00,620 --> 01:06:59,070
finished you know so we never got to the

1309
01:07:04,030 --> 01:07:00,630
bottom of that so it that would the

1310
01:07:06,650 --> 01:07:04,040
reverse effect no no I know you said and

1311
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,660
I've been teased I'm got asked this

1312
01:07:09,590 --> 01:07:07,920
question because I've been having a

1313
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:09,600
discussion with somebody about it as

1314
01:07:14,570 --> 01:07:12,330
well so it's on my mind okay and you

1315
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:14,580
said you're not an official investigator

1316
01:07:24,380 --> 01:07:19,530
anymore well what I would say to you is

1317
01:07:29,690 --> 01:07:24,390
do you think it's a good thing to be a

1318
01:07:31,070 --> 01:07:29,700
member of the formalized UFO group like

1319
01:07:32,990 --> 01:07:31,080
move on

1320
01:07:35,450 --> 01:07:33,000
I used to be more fond representative

1321
01:07:38,570 --> 01:07:35,460
for England many years ago when Walter

1322
01:07:40,820 --> 01:07:38,580
Angeles was was in charge and I've been

1323
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,830
a member of the British UFO research

1324
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:42,480
Association and before all that the

1325
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:44,910
yacht's UFO societies I've been in what

1326
01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:48,240
you know several groups but do you think

1327
01:07:53,150 --> 01:07:50,550
it's a good thing or not if you're

1328
01:07:57,970 --> 01:07:53,160
trying to research the subjects

1329
01:08:01,460 --> 01:07:57,980
adèle I think that's a two-edged sword I

1330
01:08:05,330 --> 01:08:01,470
think it's good in the sense that you

1331
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:05,340
get the cases as they're happening so

1332
01:08:10,610 --> 01:08:07,890
you're right at the forefront you know

1333
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:10,620
of these things these situations which

1334
01:08:15,050 --> 01:08:12,420
you know like right now I don't have

1335
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:15,060
anyone streaming through my computer

1336
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:16,980
telling me some gentleman just

1337
01:08:23,329 --> 01:08:20,250
encountered something by a river okay if

1338
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:23,339
I was I would see that immediately

1339
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:25,520
because it's within my county or

1340
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:29,370
whatever in my town the other thing

1341
01:08:33,650 --> 01:08:31,770
that's good about it is you also get the

1342
01:08:36,289 --> 01:08:33,660
benefit of all the information from all

1343
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:36,299
over the world and you you have the

1344
01:08:42,440 --> 01:08:39,450
pulse because you're privy to all the

1345
01:08:44,150 --> 01:08:42,450
conferences and you know you're able to

1346
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:44,160
wear your badge it says you're

1347
01:08:48,620 --> 01:08:47,010
officially this person and now you're

1348
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,630
going to hear all these people speak

1349
01:08:52,700 --> 01:08:50,880
with you which you can you know in one

1350
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:52,710
way like if I were to travel over there

1351
01:08:57,860 --> 01:08:55,290
and go to your conference I still can

1352
01:09:02,120 --> 01:08:57,870
but I'm more kind of at the periphery

1353
01:09:06,500 --> 01:09:02,130
now then I was when I was officially

1354
01:09:09,019 --> 01:09:06,510
wearing the badge the bad part about it

1355
01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:09,029
is the way the people approach me when I

1356
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:12,600
when I go to a case okay and I'll give

1357
01:09:17,150 --> 01:09:15,359
you one in point which terrified my

1358
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:17,160
husband my husband does not like to

1359
01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:18,810
dabble in these things

1360
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:21,900
he's my total opposite I'll tell him

1361
01:09:25,610 --> 01:09:24,060
okay I gotta go now it's 12:30 in the

1362
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:25,620
evening and he knows I have to go to

1363
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:27,330
work the next day but I'm gonna go over

1364
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:29,730
to this isolated spot by this barn and

1365
01:09:36,099 --> 01:09:31,650
sit in the car and see if I see

1366
01:09:42,380 --> 01:09:40,460
so that's the negative in the sense that

1367
01:09:44,959 --> 01:09:42,390
if you don't have enough people around

1368
01:09:48,170 --> 01:09:44,969
you anything can happen to you

1369
01:09:50,780 --> 01:09:48,180
if you do interview someone on the spot

1370
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:50,790
they see the ID and the first thing that

1371
01:09:57,170 --> 01:09:53,310
comes to them is are they going to use

1372
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:57,180
my name my area etc etc what's going to

1373
01:10:03,860 --> 01:10:01,199
result from this if I took the ID off

1374
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,870
and I'm just a storyteller I just want

1375
01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:06,480
to hear what happened to them some of

1376
01:10:15,740 --> 01:10:10,860
them are more relaxed hmm and then

1377
01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:15,750
they'll tell me everything yeah yeah I

1378
01:10:23,410 --> 01:10:21,030
mean I I was felt constrained being part

1379
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:23,420
of a UFO group because most of them have

1380
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:25,860
quite rightly I'm now I'm not knocking

1381
01:10:29,959 --> 01:10:27,449
them for it they have their own rules

1382
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:29,969
and regulations like like you said it

1383
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,080
Dale

1384
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:33,600
you know after one investigation you had

1385
01:10:42,290 --> 01:10:36,840
to upload it to more phones sightings

1386
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,300
reporting site or whatever it is you

1387
01:10:47,209 --> 01:10:45,120
know I got I just think it's me you know

1388
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:47,219
I mean I was always in trouble at school

1389
01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:50,850
anyway a gel and then the librarian told

1390
01:10:57,709 --> 01:10:55,350
what to do anyway so when it came to to

1391
01:11:01,010 --> 01:10:57,719
UFO groups and saying you can't do this

1392
01:11:03,770 --> 01:11:01,020
you can't do that I mean II always work

1393
01:11:07,550 --> 01:11:03,780
I mean I was asked a few years back to

1394
01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:07,560
to rejoin MUFON and I politely declined

1395
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:11,940
because you know I guess I'm fortunate

1396
01:11:16,689 --> 01:11:14,130
because I'm big enough knocking on a bit

1397
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:16,699
now I've been around a long time the

1398
01:11:24,290 --> 01:11:21,120
things you'll still cross my desk you

1399
01:11:29,420 --> 01:11:24,300
know information does come my way on a

1400
01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:29,430
whole host of things and I'm able to

1401
01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:31,350
share most of that in one way or another

1402
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:34,500
by keeping the witness's identity and

1403
01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:37,770
and things of that nature so you know I

1404
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:39,960
was just curious because there always

1405
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:44,250
seems to be this bickering you meet

1406
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:47,130
within the organization yeah within you

1407
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:49,170
know you're a member to Buffon you know

1408
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:50,850
and someday it will be in the

1409
01:11:56,180 --> 01:11:52,890
disparaging I don't like move on they

1410
01:11:58,640 --> 01:11:56,190
are this they are that I know a couple

1411
01:12:02,150 --> 01:11:58,650
of years but MUFON

1412
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:02,160
slated for having a their symposium

1413
01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:04,890
about the secret space program

1414
01:12:10,780 --> 01:12:07,140
but then last year they had Lois

1415
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:10,790
Elizondo make probably is one an only

1416
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:14,250
presentation anywhere in public

1417
01:12:19,700 --> 01:12:17,520
certainly in the United States and of

1418
01:12:23,150 --> 01:12:19,710
course he was involved in the Department

1419
01:12:25,730 --> 01:12:23,160
of Defense's secret UFO study but you

1420
01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:25,740
know so I understand that you know I've

1421
01:12:31,250 --> 01:12:28,710
been on the the organizational side of

1422
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:31,260
UFO groups as well and it's not easy you

1423
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:33,810
can't always win but I say you know as

1424
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:38,250
an investigator what's such a thing as

1425
01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:40,500
official I mean if you look at it's

1426
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:43,110
probably been one of the most prolific

1427
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:45,510
authors on the subject in this country

1428
01:12:51,260 --> 01:12:48,570
and that's been Timothy good and I don't

1429
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:51,270
think Timothy's ever been a part of any

1430
01:13:00,760 --> 01:12:55,050
UFO Club anywhere you know but it's

1431
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:00,770
certainly not done a him any harm so now

1432
01:13:06,020 --> 01:13:02,840
if not before

1433
01:13:09,650 --> 01:13:06,030
adèle you will be able to rightfully say

1434
01:13:13,330 --> 01:13:09,660
you are an author and you know you can

1435
01:13:15,530 --> 01:13:13,340
use that as a way of introduction

1436
01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:15,540
anything if you want you know if

1437
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:16,980
somebody said who do you represent well

1438
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:19,970
I'm I'm an author because that is true

1439
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:23,490
so it's a different world now I know now

1440
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:28,320
I know you mentioned you might have

1441
01:13:33,740 --> 01:13:30,840
other sightings as well if I'm if I'm

1442
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:33,750
not mistaken is that correct yeah I

1443
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:36,510
actually saw something that was close to

1444
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:38,370
my home and I don't know if you know

1445
01:13:43,310 --> 01:13:40,410
this I had moved recently in the past

1446
01:13:47,180 --> 01:13:43,320
six years the house that I used to live

1447
01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:47,190
in bordered on a farm a pretty big

1448
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:50,580
acreage and at night it's pretty

1449
01:13:55,340 --> 01:13:51,650
isolated

1450
01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:55,350
I don't live that far away from the old

1451
01:14:00,620 --> 01:13:57,960
house but where I used to live there was

1452
01:14:03,610 --> 01:14:00,630
a street that probably around the p.m.

1453
01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:03,620
would be pretty much deserted and

1454
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:06,510
because of the nature of my job I would

1455
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,570
usually leave to go to work a little bit

1456
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:11,920
before 6:00 a.m.

1457
01:14:18,660 --> 01:14:16,449
that's when I saw these things I had one

1458
01:14:22,919 --> 01:14:18,670
and it's it's hard to explain and I

1459
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:22,929
actually saw it on Facebook one time and

1460
01:14:29,130 --> 01:14:25,449
I was pretty aghast and taken aback that

1461
01:14:31,979 --> 01:14:29,140
someone had actually photographed if you

1462
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:31,989
can believe the photograph I don't

1463
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:34,000
remember the source anymore but it was

1464
01:14:42,930 --> 01:14:37,810
an actual triangle and if you picture of

1465
01:14:47,250 --> 01:14:42,940
pyramid with a dark band running across

1466
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:47,260
the middle part of it but where does

1467
01:14:52,350 --> 01:14:49,360
dark band is you could actually see a

1468
01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:52,360
part of the sky so what you've got is a

1469
01:15:00,479 --> 01:14:56,280
pyramid that's suspended in the air and

1470
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:00,489
somehow it's free-floating over a base

1471
01:15:10,380 --> 01:15:05,650
of the pyramid I saw this on a major

1472
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:10,390
road and as I was approaching it of

1473
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:12,010
course you're mesmerized because you

1474
01:15:18,150 --> 01:15:14,230
have no context you have no idea what it

1475
01:15:21,229 --> 01:15:18,160
is you know and this was post MUFON days

1476
01:15:24,510 --> 01:15:21,239
I knew I wasn't looking at a plane I

1477
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:24,520
knew how close approximately it could

1478
01:15:30,090 --> 01:15:28,030
have been you know I had no context to

1479
01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:30,100
compare it against but he was over the

1480
01:15:37,620 --> 01:15:32,860
treeline and it was right smack hovering

1481
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:37,630
over the road and as I was approaching

1482
01:15:42,750 --> 01:15:40,690
it and Here I am you know how we are

1483
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:42,760
you're reaching for your compass you're

1484
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:45,489
trying to get that in the seat next to

1485
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:47,340
you

1486
01:16:01,140 --> 01:15:55,810
opened to see if I could hear anything

1487
01:16:03,419 --> 01:16:01,150
and I was the only I was the lone driver

1488
01:16:07,020 --> 01:16:03,429
there's no passenger that there were no

1489
01:16:09,959 --> 01:16:07,030
other vehicles around me and this thing

1490
01:16:11,850 --> 01:16:09,969
just started to get larger and larger as

1491
01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:11,860
I was approaching which suggested to me

1492
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:15,760
that it was stationary I actually passed

1493
01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:22,000
under it and I looked above me and it

1494
01:16:25,810 --> 01:16:24,310
was matte black the base was matte black

1495
01:16:27,370 --> 01:16:25,820
and then I

1496
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:27,380
that's it and I looked at the rearview

1497
01:16:35,290 --> 01:16:32,090
and it was still there I have no idea

1498
01:16:36,490 --> 01:16:35,300
what it was but it was not moving it did

1499
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:36,500
not make a sound

1500
01:16:49,570 --> 01:16:45,770
it was just hovering I think I the same

1501
01:16:55,930 --> 01:16:49,580
that is absolutely fascinating it really

1502
01:16:58,510 --> 01:16:55,940
is just going to say just yeah and it

1503
01:17:00,640 --> 01:16:58,520
was this was it's interesting how events

1504
01:17:03,970 --> 01:17:00,650
happen sometimes I think they're

1505
01:17:08,860 --> 01:17:03,980
correlated with the weather we had a

1506
01:17:13,470 --> 01:17:08,870
hurricane here and I it was the one that

1507
01:17:16,690 --> 01:17:13,480
devastated Louisiana Hurricane Katrina

1508
01:17:20,250 --> 01:17:16,700
just about a week after Hurricane

1509
01:17:23,410 --> 01:17:20,260
Katrina had happened I was once again

1510
01:17:27,220 --> 01:17:23,420
driving on a different road now closer

1511
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:27,230
to work approaching a four-way stop sign

1512
01:17:33,670 --> 01:17:31,490
and there were heavy clouds you know

1513
01:17:35,770 --> 01:17:33,680
Chris Katrina was still kind of like you

1514
01:17:38,380 --> 01:17:35,780
know dissipating or whatever but you

1515
01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:38,390
know school was back people were driving

1516
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:40,700
on the road it was very early in the

1517
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:43,760
morning and there were heavy clouds out

1518
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:47,890
of a cloud and it just cleared so

1519
01:17:54,490 --> 01:17:51,920
cellphone tower is approximately 78 feet

1520
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:54,500
in height I don't know what it is in

1521
01:18:00,040 --> 01:17:55,810
meters

1522
01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:00,050
but there's 78 feet in height and right

1523
01:18:05,970 --> 01:18:02,450
above the cellphone tower just across

1524
01:18:09,460 --> 01:18:05,980
the street as I was approaching the 4way

1525
01:18:12,330 --> 01:18:09,470
there was a heavy cloud and out of the

1526
01:18:15,820 --> 01:18:12,340
heavy cloud something broke through and

1527
01:18:20,110 --> 01:18:15,830
this time it had a definite structure

1528
01:18:22,750 --> 01:18:20,120
and both ends of it had a lighted

1529
01:18:28,510 --> 01:18:22,760
triangle and a large triangle in the

1530
01:18:30,490 --> 01:18:28,520
middle it was very soft to the eye it

1531
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:30,500
was very bright but it was soft to the

1532
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:32,210
eye like if you were looking at a car

1533
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:34,130
that was approaching you you know you

1534
01:18:39,010 --> 01:18:36,770
would get the glare you would get some

1535
01:18:39,550 --> 01:18:39,020
kind of you know you would have to look

1536
01:18:44,140 --> 01:18:39,560
your

1537
01:18:47,050 --> 01:18:44,150
one you could look straight right at it

1538
01:18:50,590 --> 01:18:47,060
and this time I was prepared I actually

1539
01:18:55,180 --> 01:18:50,600
had my compass sitting on the passenger

1540
01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:55,190
side of me because there was drizzle and

1541
01:18:59,130 --> 01:18:56,450
inclement weather

1542
01:19:02,590 --> 01:18:59,140
I had the moonroof closed but I had it

1543
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:02,600
open in the sense that you know it's all

1544
01:19:08,020 --> 01:19:05,690
glass between me and whatever it was so

1545
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:08,030
once again it was approaching me and it

1546
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:10,640
was above me and this was less than a

1547
01:19:17,370 --> 01:19:12,770
hundred feet above me because it just

1548
01:19:21,460 --> 01:19:17,380
cleared the tip of the cellphone tower

1549
01:19:24,490 --> 01:19:21,470
it was making a rushing noise kind of

1550
01:19:27,340 --> 01:19:24,500
like if you were pouring water down the

1551
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:27,350
drain and I looked at the compass

1552
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:30,650
because I was now stationary at the stop

1553
01:19:41,950 --> 01:19:32,810
sign and it was spinning

1554
01:19:45,370 --> 01:19:41,960
counterclockwise very rapidly what did

1555
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:45,380
you do nothing you just sat there looked

1556
01:19:51,490 --> 01:19:49,370
I looked at it I was admiring it I was

1557
01:19:55,180 --> 01:19:51,500
thinking to myself I am I feel so

1558
01:19:56,650 --> 01:19:55,190
privileged to see this you know and I

1559
01:19:59,020 --> 01:19:56,660
kept looking around to see if there was

1560
01:20:01,000 --> 01:19:59,030
anybody around me but it was so early in

1561
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,010
the morning that once again it's only me

1562
01:20:07,090 --> 01:20:03,440
and that's the part that's frustrating

1563
01:20:09,220 --> 01:20:07,100
for me Chris and Philip because when I

1564
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:09,230
see these things there is no one around

1565
01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:15,280
me my my complaint is my two experiences

1566
01:20:22,570 --> 01:20:17,860
the first one was where we're back in

1567
01:20:24,490 --> 01:20:22,580
roundabout 1973 all I saw with it were

1568
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:24,500
two unusual lights maneuvering across

1569
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:27,440
the sky fire up like pin pricks in the

1570
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:29,690
sky but there was leapfrogging over each

1571
01:20:34,630 --> 01:20:32,480
other or it was one light there moving

1572
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:34,640
forward then coming back after distance

1573
01:20:37,330 --> 01:20:35,570
in leapfrogging

1574
01:20:39,370 --> 01:20:37,340
over the position it had originally been

1575
01:20:42,700 --> 01:20:39,380
so it kind of like leap frogged across

1576
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:42,710
the sky now back in those days and phil

1577
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:44,810
will remember this you may know this as

1578
01:20:49,420 --> 01:20:47,330
well that there was a TV program the on

1579
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:49,430
called UFO which was done by Gerry

1580
01:20:52,900 --> 01:20:52,130
Anderson and this was where back in the

1581
01:20:55,150 --> 01:20:52,910
early nineties

1582
01:20:57,010 --> 01:20:55,160
as a Saiyan I jumped up like an idiot

1583
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,020
right look guys look in the sky there's

1584
01:21:02,800 --> 01:20:59,600
a UFO but the strange thing was it was a

1585
01:21:05,470 --> 01:21:02,810
cloudless night no snow cloud in the sky

1586
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:05,480
whatsoever it was early in early

1587
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:08,090
February evening so it was that by about

1588
01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:10,730
4:30 which is why myself and a few

1589
01:21:15,370 --> 01:21:12,350
friends were out playing basically were

1590
01:21:17,170 --> 01:21:15,380
playing soldiers and I was on a amount

1591
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:17,180
of mud looking up and I shouted that

1592
01:21:21,460 --> 01:21:19,490
look a UFO bla bla bla and it just

1593
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:21,470
blinked out and completely disappeared

1594
01:21:26,170 --> 01:21:24,050
about half way above this you know

1595
01:21:28,210 --> 01:21:26,180
directly off of my head in the sky more

1596
01:21:31,420 --> 01:21:28,220
or less but it was quite higher my

1597
01:21:35,530 --> 01:21:31,430
second air experience I was doing a Sky

1598
01:21:37,930 --> 01:21:35,540
Watch I'm going back to the mid to

1599
01:21:40,180 --> 01:21:37,940
late-1990s was down at the British

1600
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,190
Aerospace Factory on the banks of the

1601
01:21:45,370 --> 01:21:43,040
River Humber the factory was behind us

1602
01:21:48,010 --> 01:21:45,380
and we was looking south and we saw a

1603
01:21:50,710 --> 01:21:48,020
light come down me the hill on the

1604
01:21:52,660 --> 01:21:50,720
opposite side of the river just

1605
01:21:56,620 --> 01:21:52,670
basically just like an air flight base

1606
01:21:58,780 --> 01:21:56,630
but then it came down came onto the

1607
01:22:00,600 --> 01:21:58,790
river and I watched it go to my right

1608
01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:00,610
and I went to my friends oh it's gone

1609
01:22:04,990 --> 01:22:03,110
and my two friends turned to me and said

1610
01:22:08,050 --> 01:22:05,000
no it hasn't it's going under the bridge

1611
01:22:10,150 --> 01:22:08,060
which is to the left so it come down I

1612
01:22:12,210 --> 01:22:10,160
didn't even notice it split into two and

1613
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:12,220
it went in two different directions so

1614
01:22:22,210 --> 01:22:15,050
that was my experience so those you've

1615
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:22,220
you've had I'm still waiting they're

1616
01:22:28,300 --> 01:22:24,410
very close and it's interesting how

1617
01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:28,310
close they get yeah because they know

1618
01:22:33,310 --> 01:22:30,230
they can't be photographed and no one

1619
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:33,320
else is there but isn't that always the

1620
01:22:37,660 --> 01:22:35,690
case just when you want you won't eat

1621
01:22:39,250 --> 01:22:37,670
your cell phone your smartphone you know

1622
01:22:41,620 --> 01:22:39,260
you want your phone with you yeah a

1623
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:41,630
camera a DSLR or something and you just

1624
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:43,610
want that one chance to get that picture

1625
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:46,730
that will you know finally put an end to

1626
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:49,520
that question how we alone but it never

1627
01:22:53,950 --> 01:22:52,130
happens it just never happens I think

1628
01:22:56,170 --> 01:22:53,960
it's really because when these things

1629
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:56,180
happen we're not actually really ready

1630
01:23:00,250 --> 01:22:57,650
for them to happen I think that's I

1631
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:00,260
think that's part of the problem is it

1632
01:23:05,790 --> 01:23:03,050
not one of the things that you you when

1633
01:23:08,660 --> 01:23:05,800
you're investigating these cases

1634
01:23:11,310 --> 01:23:08,670
and you've had a and encounter yourself

1635
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:11,320
people don't do the things that you

1636
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:14,560
would suspect they would do and the

1637
01:23:19,980 --> 01:23:15,910
reason I mentioned that as well because

1638
01:23:21,630 --> 01:23:19,990
I've just as I said Adele you know the

1639
01:23:26,370 --> 01:23:21,640
things still crossed my desk I've been

1640
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:26,380
talking to a lady in Wales and she saw

1641
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:28,000
applying what we call now a fly-in

1642
01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:32,110
triangle just just a couple of years ago

1643
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:35,080
and she's been telling me about it and

1644
01:23:43,050 --> 01:23:38,370
this again was at very close quarters

1645
01:23:44,850 --> 01:23:43,060
right overhead and Chris don't know this

1646
01:23:50,430 --> 01:23:44,860
yet but I'm writing it up for outer

1647
01:23:53,490 --> 01:23:50,440
limits magazine and she had a her you

1648
01:23:57,180 --> 01:23:53,500
know have smartphone with her and didn't

1649
01:24:00,360 --> 01:23:57,190
use it you know and and she cursed

1650
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:00,370
herself to this day almost that by the

1651
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:03,040
time she realized what was happening she

1652
01:24:08,250 --> 01:24:05,290
turned down and this thing was you know

1653
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:08,260
on its way out she took a picture of it

1654
01:24:12,690 --> 01:24:10,930
which was useless in the end but she

1655
01:24:15,090 --> 01:24:12,700
said why didn't I take a picture of it

1656
01:24:16,980 --> 01:24:15,100
when it was right over my head and she

1657
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:16,990
was looking for an explanation as to why

1658
01:24:23,870 --> 01:24:21,130
that is and and similarly in in you know

1659
01:24:28,140 --> 01:24:23,880
in the real close encounter stories

1660
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:28,150
oops people quite often don't do what

1661
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:29,650
you'd expect them to do when you read

1662
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:35,890
about it and I remember one lady talking

1663
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,170
about her family having this

1664
01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:41,440
encountering in Wales they were there on

1665
01:24:48,180 --> 01:24:46,030
holiday and after it at all it was all

1666
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:48,190
finished they all went back to doing

1667
01:24:52,190 --> 01:24:50,770
what they would do in be fine and didn't

1668
01:24:55,140 --> 01:24:52,200
bat an eye as if nothing had happened

1669
01:24:57,300 --> 01:24:55,150
you know apart I went to wash the dishes

1670
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:57,310
the children sat on the settee watching

1671
01:25:04,110 --> 01:25:00,400
the TV and so on where do you think and

1672
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:04,120
it's to me it's almost like as well when

1673
01:25:09,420 --> 01:25:06,610
I read the stories about Big Four it's

1674
01:25:11,340 --> 01:25:09,430
one of the things we don't have also you

1675
01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:11,350
know how much of anyway in the your kids

1676
01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:13,360
we don't we don't have the landmass like

1677
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:15,340
the United States does in other areas

1678
01:25:18,689 --> 01:25:17,440
and the forests and the mountains to go

1679
01:25:20,729 --> 01:25:18,699
with it but

1680
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:20,739
you hear of these you know trappers and

1681
01:25:25,169 --> 01:25:23,290
hunters and mountain men out in the you

1682
01:25:29,220 --> 01:25:25,179
know the hills and the sea Bigfoot one

1683
01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:29,230
alright then even shot it you know no

1684
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:32,620
don't disrespect America is known for

1685
01:25:40,110 --> 01:25:36,010
its relaxed gun laws you know these

1686
01:25:41,820 --> 01:25:40,120
people have guns and you know rifles

1687
01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:41,830
with them but why they never shot one

1688
01:25:48,570 --> 01:25:45,070
kill it I know you know it's just an

1689
01:25:55,709 --> 01:25:48,580
obvious question to me to ask I think

1690
01:25:57,930 --> 01:25:55,719
they do try it's almost the UFO

1691
01:26:00,300 --> 01:25:57,940
equivalent is why didn't you take a

1692
01:26:02,130 --> 01:26:00,310
photograph of it you know not shooting

1693
01:26:04,050 --> 01:26:02,140
an Oracle mania shoot it but why need to

1694
01:26:06,450 --> 01:26:04,060
take a photograph of it and they said it

1695
01:26:09,300 --> 01:26:06,460
just never occurred to me at the time or

1696
01:26:10,830 --> 01:26:09,310
you know I or why didn't you look round

1697
01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:10,840
to see if there was anyone else watching

1698
01:26:16,290 --> 01:26:12,760
it all and this kind of thing what I'm

1699
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:16,300
saying is when when people in general

1700
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:18,489
I'm not talking about every case adèle

1701
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:21,280
but in general people have a parent will

1702
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:24,070
call it a paranormal experience they

1703
01:26:31,290 --> 01:26:26,650
don't act as perhaps we would expect to

1704
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:31,300
them to have to act and for example when

1705
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:33,130
it comes to the the extra-terrestrial

1706
01:26:37,229 --> 01:26:34,690
side of things

1707
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:37,239
following your book for those that are

1708
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:39,370
interested by the way I've gotta get a

1709
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:41,920
plug in Adele's book it's called portal

1710
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,520
a lifetime of paranormal experiences be

1711
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:47,440
published by flying this press or March

1712
01:26:52,860 --> 01:26:50,170
the first but following that a couple of

1713
01:26:56,010 --> 01:26:52,870
months after that it's a book called

1714
01:26:58,770 --> 01:26:56,020
hyper civilizations an answer to the

1715
01:27:02,340 --> 01:26:58,780
extra-terrestrial hypothesis and this is

1716
01:27:04,620 --> 01:27:02,350
by dr. Dan Farkas from Romania and one

1717
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:04,630
of the things that puzzled him about his

1718
01:27:11,729 --> 01:27:09,370
research Adele was not why the witnesses

1719
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:11,739
do certain things but why the

1720
01:27:16,830 --> 01:27:14,410
he calls them to you for knots you know

1721
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:16,840
the the beings the aliens whatever you

1722
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:19,690
want to call them why do they seem to

1723
01:27:25,310 --> 01:27:23,170
sometimes do such stupid things and he

1724
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:25,320
thinks his explanation hyper

1725
01:27:31,610 --> 01:27:29,290
civilisations is the answer to it can I

1726
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:31,620
ask you a question

1727
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,810
adele is something that always puzzles

1728
01:27:44,780 --> 01:27:39,120
me if you like are still intrigues me

1729
01:27:54,650 --> 01:27:44,790
I'm very puzzling no disrespect you are

1730
01:28:00,050 --> 01:27:54,660
a female and all females oppose this is

1731
01:28:05,470 --> 01:28:00,060
a question of nice pose let me talk

1732
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:05,480
about the paranormal on one hand and

1733
01:28:10,340 --> 01:28:08,130
cryptozoology and another one and then

1734
01:28:13,820 --> 01:28:10,350
ufology in another one and they're all

1735
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:13,830
PG no other all in different pigeon

1736
01:28:19,340 --> 01:28:16,770
holes or are we looking at the same

1737
01:28:21,380 --> 01:28:19,350
phenomena but perhaps different sides of

1738
01:28:24,140 --> 01:28:21,390
the same coin in other words these thing

1739
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:24,150
a link to all of this or are they indeed

1740
01:28:38,300 --> 01:28:28,380
something separate you want me to answer

1741
01:28:45,530 --> 01:28:38,310
that question yes well I do tend to talk

1742
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:45,540
so I will say this after after not to

1743
01:28:50,990 --> 01:28:47,490
disclose my age but I would say more

1744
01:28:52,970 --> 01:28:51,000
than 40 years of seeing this kind of

1745
01:28:56,930 --> 01:28:52,980
stuff and hearing about this kind of

1746
01:28:59,150 --> 01:28:56,940
stuff and I just had one that came

1747
01:29:05,140 --> 01:28:59,160
across my way just a few weeks ago and

1748
01:29:08,330 --> 01:29:05,150
I'm adding it to my list it seems to me

1749
01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:08,340
and you know it's a multiverse number

1750
01:29:17,390 --> 01:29:13,110
one not a universe which translates to

1751
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:17,400
so many different angles of existence

1752
01:29:25,420 --> 01:29:21,090
and I know Philip you you and I have

1753
01:29:31,010 --> 01:29:25,430
talked before about reincarnation and

1754
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:31,020
lifetimes lifetimes before this one the

1755
01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:32,730
one before that and I know you're not a

1756
01:29:39,020 --> 01:29:35,070
believer in that respect and I respect

1757
01:29:44,150 --> 01:29:39,030
that I think what we're seeing is

1758
01:29:45,210 --> 01:29:44,160
increasingly a revelation of the panoply

1759
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:45,220
of creation

1760
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:49,930
and how complex and how many levels of

1761
01:29:58,740 --> 01:29:53,050
that there actually is that it is just

1762
01:30:03,390 --> 01:29:58,750
simply unbelievable incredible when you

1763
01:30:09,570 --> 01:30:03,400
talk about the paranormal as in ghosts

1764
01:30:13,140 --> 01:30:09,580
or demons discarnate entities they're

1765
01:30:18,650 --> 01:30:13,150
not really that discreet in some

1766
01:30:22,970 --> 01:30:21,540
what I mean by that is that there's an

1767
01:30:26,490 --> 01:30:22,980
overlap between

1768
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:26,500
discarnate entities who used to be

1769
01:30:32,370 --> 01:30:30,400
beings that inhabit in a body and ETS

1770
01:30:37,710 --> 01:30:32,380
that are advanced enough that they no

1771
01:30:42,450 --> 01:30:37,720
longer need a body so where we are and I

1772
01:30:44,670 --> 01:30:42,460
am NOT an expert I just read a lot ok

1773
01:30:45,780 --> 01:30:44,680
I'm well acquainted with the works of a

1774
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:45,790
woman and I don't know if you're

1775
01:30:50,850 --> 01:30:48,400
familiar with her Dolores cannon mm-hmm

1776
01:30:54,030 --> 01:30:50,860
I'm gonna say her name because I respect

1777
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:54,040
her very highly that is one realm I

1778
01:30:58,170 --> 01:30:56,320
would love to be able to delve in and be

1779
01:31:00,480 --> 01:30:58,180
trained in for the remainder of my life

1780
01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:00,490
is to actually engage in hypnosis and

1781
01:31:11,460 --> 01:31:04,920
bring someone back to the encounter and

1782
01:31:15,300 --> 01:31:11,470
a lifetime before that and within the

1783
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:15,310
series of books that the Dolores Canon

1784
01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:20,560
has written she shares with us more than

1785
01:31:28,710 --> 01:31:26,310
3000 cases of these encounters

1786
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:28,720
telepathic communication with these

1787
01:31:38,090 --> 01:31:34,000
beings where they be et or perhaps

1788
01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:38,100
beings that used to have a body I

1789
01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:41,590
discovered in my own summation that we

1790
01:31:51,060 --> 01:31:44,110
are at the very edge of the universe or

1791
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:51,070
the multiverse and we only probably see

1792
01:31:58,510 --> 01:31:56,650
and hear and feel about 134th of the

1793
01:32:03,940 --> 01:31:58,520
actual reality

1794
01:32:09,310 --> 01:32:03,950
that is out there because we are in a

1795
01:32:13,380 --> 01:32:09,320
dense level of reality we are only in 3d

1796
01:32:19,690 --> 01:32:13,390
we are so limited in what we can

1797
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:19,700
experience but I think that because of

1798
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:22,010
that we're constantly being pushed

1799
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:28,370
forward in one way or another to try to

1800
01:32:42,970 --> 01:32:36,050
reach out and understand the other parts

1801
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:42,980
of reality that we cannot experience it

1802
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:46,090
is it's fascinating because I know a

1803
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,000
number of years back you probably aware

1804
01:32:54,970 --> 01:32:52,400
of him on the it is more in the States

1805
01:32:58,600 --> 01:32:54,980
than here in the UK there's a Japanese

1806
01:33:01,000 --> 01:32:58,610
American called dr. Michio Kaku yes yes

1807
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:01,010
and I met him and interviewed him he had

1808
01:33:06,490 --> 01:33:04,610
a book out called hyperspace and I went

1809
01:33:09,610 --> 01:33:06,500
to interview him when he was here in the

1810
01:33:10,180 --> 01:33:09,620
UK doing a book - I managed to grab him

1811
01:33:12,670 --> 01:33:10,190
for an hour

1812
01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:12,680
his hotel in Manchester of all places

1813
01:33:19,540 --> 01:33:17,120
and he talked about even then this will

1814
01:33:22,330 --> 01:33:19,550
probably be I don't know a mid nineties

1815
01:33:27,550 --> 01:33:22,340
time I can't remember the date but he

1816
01:33:29,500 --> 01:33:27,560
talked about other dimensions and he

1817
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:29,510
even gave me he said that what I think

1818
01:33:34,570 --> 01:33:31,130
he said tended well there was a number

1819
01:33:37,150 --> 01:33:34,580
of different dimensions and parallel

1820
01:33:39,940 --> 01:33:37,160
universes and all this kind of thing and

1821
01:33:43,810 --> 01:33:39,950
he put it all in in layman's term I mean

1822
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:43,820
he had to you know and it gave an

1823
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:48,560
example he says I had a cosmologists

1824
01:33:55,060 --> 01:33:52,850
come visit me Philip from Russia and the

1825
01:33:56,860 --> 01:33:55,070
anus is a time he said he even though he

1826
01:33:59,380 --> 01:33:56,870
was a scientist he was he was broke he

1827
01:34:03,520 --> 01:33:59,390
didn't have much money and he said I

1828
01:34:06,570 --> 01:34:03,530
took him to a casino I think he only had

1829
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:06,580
ten dollars so he put ten dollars on

1830
01:34:11,350 --> 01:34:09,170
some one particular number on the

1831
01:34:13,930 --> 01:34:11,360
roulette wheel

1832
01:34:16,300 --> 01:34:13,940
and dr. Karen said well don't you think

1833
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:16,310
you ought to wedge your bets perhaps put

1834
01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:18,770
$5.00 on this one I'm $5 on another

1835
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:20,960
while something of that nature and this

1836
01:34:26,650 --> 01:34:24,650
this Russian professor said no is it

1837
01:34:33,930 --> 01:34:26,660
because I know when one in one reality

1838
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:38,170
count loose Kenya you know and it really

1839
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:40,370
did make you you scratch your head

1840
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:42,110
because this was a time when people

1841
01:34:48,580 --> 01:34:44,930
weren't really talking in scientific

1842
01:34:50,770 --> 01:34:48,590
circles about other dimensions and you

1843
01:34:52,450 --> 01:34:50,780
know bending space and time and that

1844
01:34:54,610 --> 01:34:52,460
kind of thing there's a way of traveling

1845
01:34:58,810 --> 01:34:54,620
through the universe I mean a friend of

1846
01:35:00,640 --> 01:34:58,820
mine in Florida it's recently sent me

1847
01:35:03,580 --> 01:35:00,650
documentation that I've read and it's

1848
01:35:06,730 --> 01:35:03,590
it's all bona fide that just for example

1849
01:35:09,370 --> 01:35:06,740
are you talking about multi versus just

1850
01:35:15,060 --> 01:35:09,380
in our own universe and this is the

1851
01:35:20,050 --> 01:35:15,070
visible universe there are two trillion

1852
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:20,060
galaxies how many it is mind-boggling

1853
01:35:25,620 --> 01:35:22,610
yeah and that's that's in the in the

1854
01:35:28,990 --> 01:35:25,630
visible universe and if you then

1855
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:29,000
compound that with as you were talking

1856
01:35:35,260 --> 01:35:32,210
about multi versus each I I don't think

1857
01:35:36,940 --> 01:35:35,270
not only you and I have difficulty in

1858
01:35:39,700 --> 01:35:36,950
getting two graphs with that I think

1859
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:39,710
even some of the smartest minds in the

1860
01:35:42,130 --> 01:35:41,570
world have a difficulty in grasping it

1861
01:35:46,150 --> 01:35:42,140
as well

1862
01:35:49,570 --> 01:35:46,160
but I I do tend to agree with you in

1863
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:49,580
some respects Adele that whatever this

1864
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:52,730
phenomena is and I'll use that as you

1865
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:57,040
know as a blanket statement it is I

1866
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:00,800
think in you know it's not the right

1867
01:36:05,860 --> 01:36:03,170
phrase to call it paranormal because

1868
01:36:07,540 --> 01:36:05,870
it's not it's part and parcel of

1869
01:36:10,090 --> 01:36:07,550
existence it's just that we are

1870
01:36:12,730 --> 01:36:10,100
incapable at the moment of grasping it

1871
01:36:17,620 --> 01:36:12,740
all the times and we and we see whispers

1872
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:17,630
of it having said that you know a chapel

1873
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:21,050
was on very good terms with and was very

1874
01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:22,400
friendly where they came and stayed with

1875
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:24,080
me a couple of times was the like pod

1876
01:36:27,010 --> 01:36:24,890
Hopkins

1877
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:27,020
I mean the people out there will

1878
01:36:31,210 --> 01:36:28,880
probably know upwards working in alien

1879
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:31,220
abductions and he wrote several several

1880
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:33,890
books on the subject he was of the

1881
01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:39,530
opposite opinion that you know UFOs one

1882
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:41,450
in 1pg now on the paranormal was

1883
01:36:47,140 --> 01:36:44,210
somewhere else and never the twain shall

1884
01:36:48,430 --> 01:36:47,150
cross I remember even wrote an article I

1885
01:36:50,770 --> 01:36:48,440
think I believe it was for the MUFON

1886
01:36:54,190 --> 01:36:50,780
Journal and he called it stewpot

1887
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:54,200
thinking so that's no he was in the

1888
01:36:59,620 --> 01:36:57,290
other set the other camp but it's just

1889
01:37:03,850 --> 01:36:59,630
something I find fascinating because

1890
01:37:06,250 --> 01:37:03,860
what what he's also coming up in dr.

1891
01:37:09,550 --> 01:37:06,260
Farkas his next book hyper civilizations

1892
01:37:13,620 --> 01:37:09,560
he is of the opinion the oldest is

1893
01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:13,630
related but we are interacting with an

1894
01:37:21,730 --> 01:37:18,320
extraterrestrial species

1895
01:37:26,670 --> 01:37:21,740
or whatever you want to call it but they

1896
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:26,680
are so far in advance of us that we just

1897
01:37:30,820 --> 01:37:29,210
will never be able to make any sense of

1898
01:37:32,980 --> 01:37:30,830
it that's why when we we share these

1899
01:37:36,670 --> 01:37:32,990
encounters they appear to be doing

1900
01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:36,680
something extremely stupid to us and the

1901
01:37:41,500 --> 01:37:39,110
noise just that we cannot comprehend it

1902
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:41,510
and it gives an example for it says you

1903
01:37:44,860 --> 01:37:42,770
know you could take a flat screen

1904
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:44,870
television and put it on on ants nest

1905
01:37:49,930 --> 01:37:47,360
and the ants could crawl all over land

1906
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:49,940
will be aware of its its presence but

1907
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:52,490
never in a zillion years will they ever

1908
01:37:57,780 --> 01:37:54,800
be able to figure out what it is you

1909
01:38:00,430 --> 01:37:57,790
know and we on there you know on a

1910
01:38:04,630 --> 01:38:00,440
celestial scale are the proverbial ants

1911
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:04,640
nest you know so you know it's something

1912
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:07,760
I like to ask research is about this

1913
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:11,600
type of thing because you know we all

1914
01:38:15,700 --> 01:38:13,250
have different opinions of it I mean I

1915
01:38:18,190 --> 01:38:15,710
personally look you know I I'm not a

1916
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:18,200
great believer in life after death and

1917
01:38:23,050 --> 01:38:20,930
and such a thing but I'm open-minded

1918
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:23,060
we're all going to find out about on one

1919
01:38:30,700 --> 01:38:24,410
day aren't we Adele you know that it's

1920
01:38:33,460 --> 01:38:30,710
that you know it's it's one we go back

1921
01:38:35,530 --> 01:38:33,470
to when I asked you the the question

1922
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:35,540
about whether you should be part of a

1923
01:38:40,410 --> 01:38:38,110
UFO group or not for example

1924
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:40,420
was part of the British UFO research

1925
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:43,360
Association they had a moratorium on the

1926
01:38:47,310 --> 01:38:45,850
use of hypnosis so if you were part of

1927
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:47,320
move of view fora

1928
01:38:53,330 --> 01:38:49,840
or one of their investigators you were

1929
01:38:56,370 --> 01:38:53,340
not allowed to use regressive hypnosis

1930
01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:56,380
in your investigations and I stuck to

1931
01:39:01,590 --> 01:38:58,330
that you know I didn't break that rule

1932
01:39:05,580 --> 01:39:01,600
but what I did you know independently I

1933
01:39:09,390 --> 01:39:05,590
went in sat in as an observer on a

1934
01:39:11,130 --> 01:39:09,400
couple of sessions and I didn't make any

1935
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:11,140
comments have you asked any questions of

1936
01:39:17,090 --> 01:39:13,170
just there as an observer and I found it

1937
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:17,100
enlightening and then a few years ago I

1938
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:21,010
actually went under hypnosis myself for

1939
01:39:27,540 --> 01:39:24,090
two reasons one I had problems sleeping

1940
01:39:29,130 --> 01:39:27,550
and I found a gentleman who lived not

1941
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:29,140
far from where I do who was highly

1942
01:39:34,380 --> 01:39:32,050
recommended and I was just curious again

1943
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:34,390
about hypnosis because most people's

1944
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:36,880
version of hypnosis is the Entertainer

1945
01:39:42,330 --> 01:39:39,520
on the TV you know get somebody to lay a

1946
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:42,340
square egg or whatever you know and I

1947
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:44,530
can honestly say when I was under

1948
01:39:51,870 --> 01:39:49,450
hypnosis I was sitting in a nice leather

1949
01:39:54,750 --> 01:39:51,880
chair an electric not an electric chair

1950
01:39:59,580 --> 01:39:54,760
but an electrically powered I was in old

1951
01:40:03,120 --> 01:39:59,590
Sparky you know what I mean and you

1952
01:40:04,980 --> 01:40:03,130
could alter the chairs so so you were at

1953
01:40:07,290 --> 01:40:04,990
your most comfortable and a little

1954
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:07,300
headset on so I could enter the bit to

1955
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:10,330
the hip-hip-hip it is talking to me

1956
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:12,970
there were no outside noise and add a

1957
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:16,480
little attachment on my finger that was

1958
01:40:21,780 --> 01:40:19,810
linked up to the computer and when I was

1959
01:40:24,750 --> 01:40:21,790
under hypnosis I actually felt like I

1960
01:40:27,780 --> 01:40:24,760
was floating I could not feel the chair

1961
01:40:31,530 --> 01:40:27,790
underneath me at all Adele it was it was

1962
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:31,540
and it was there when I liked the best

1963
01:40:36,180 --> 01:40:34,330
way I can describe it has been in the

1964
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:36,190
most comfortable position I've ever been

1965
01:40:43,050 --> 01:40:39,840
in you know and what intrigued me was

1966
01:40:44,910 --> 01:40:43,060
again I'm not plugging this book it just

1967
01:40:48,420 --> 01:40:44,920
comes to mind when I when I was speaking

1968
01:40:51,870 --> 01:40:48,430
to Calvin Parker about his experience

1969
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:51,880
and he was on board the UFO

1970
01:41:00,360 --> 01:40:55,330
he felt that it wasn't lying flat it was

1971
01:41:02,850 --> 01:41:00,370
a an angle and he felt it was in some

1972
01:41:04,530 --> 01:41:02,860
kind of chair or examining thing but he

1973
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:04,540
couldn't feel anything underneath him

1974
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:07,330
it felt like it was floating and and

1975
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:09,090
that sort of stuck in my mind

1976
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:13,690
so you know I'm we never before we never

1977
01:41:20,270 --> 01:41:17,650
used hypnosis but having said that one

1978
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:20,280
of the things we did get with Calvin in

1979
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:23,770
1993 he underwent regressive hypnosis

1980
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:27,370
with Budd Hopkins and we got a copy of

1981
01:41:32,399 --> 01:41:29,920
the tape and it's fascinating to listen

1982
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:32,409
to it it's all transcribed and in his

1983
01:41:37,020 --> 01:41:35,770
book now when they're driving to the to

1984
01:41:39,709 --> 01:41:37,030
the encounter side they were going

1985
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:39,719
fishing on a plastic ball or River

1986
01:41:46,410 --> 01:41:43,210
Cameron will tell you they're on the way

1987
01:41:50,580 --> 01:41:46,420
in they pass another car and he could

1988
01:41:52,350 --> 01:41:50,590
remember it was a red Pontiac and there

1989
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:52,360
was a gentleman who was in the backseat

1990
01:41:57,209 --> 01:41:53,920
and a woman was in the front and this

1991
01:41:59,370 --> 01:41:57,219
gentleman got out and then as they went

1992
01:42:02,040 --> 01:41:59,380
further on he believed he heard it

1993
01:42:04,939 --> 01:42:02,050
starting up and driving away on D

1994
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:04,949
hypnosis he recounts exactly the same

1995
01:42:09,379 --> 01:42:07,690
but not only that he can tell you the

1996
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:09,389
number plate

1997
01:42:14,370 --> 01:42:12,880
whereas before he couldn't and he

1998
01:42:17,550 --> 01:42:14,380
actually gives you the license plate

1999
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:17,560
number and the tag you have a thing

2000
01:42:23,729 --> 01:42:20,290
called a tag I learned in an American

2001
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:23,739
license plates to donate which which

2002
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:25,330
state you from is that correct

2003
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:28,000
mmm-hmm yeah and he could see the the

2004
01:42:33,090 --> 01:42:31,330
tag on it as well you have no idea that

2005
01:42:35,610 --> 01:42:33,100
they'll how long I scratched my head to

2006
01:42:36,959 --> 01:42:35,620
try and figure out what a tag was on

2007
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:36,969
your number Blake's we don't have

2008
01:42:44,399 --> 01:42:40,570
anything like that here at all you know

2009
01:42:48,540 --> 01:42:44,409
so let's go back to your book I'm sorry

2010
01:42:51,330 --> 01:42:48,550
to take up your time no no it's okay I

2011
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:51,340
wanted to say that it's interesting that

2012
01:42:58,020 --> 01:42:54,850
you mentioned how under hypnosis Calvin

2013
01:43:03,300 --> 01:42:58,030
actually remembered more detail and then

2014
01:43:05,580 --> 01:43:03,310
he did in wakefulness and it goes back

2015
01:43:08,930 --> 01:43:05,590
to the idea of that

2016
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:08,940
multiverse or don't multi consciousness

2017
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:11,770
to me and this is just I don't know if

2018
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:13,840
this is just my personal theory or maybe

2019
01:43:20,669 --> 01:43:17,010
this is also shared by other people I

2020
01:43:25,740 --> 01:43:20,679
think that because we're in the physical

2021
01:43:28,169 --> 01:43:25,750
body and we're in the physical brain our

2022
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:28,179
consciousness is restricted by the

2023
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:33,489
capacity of that density that body that

2024
01:43:38,850 --> 01:43:37,210
we have when you are unfettered which

2025
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:38,860
you are when you're under hypnosis

2026
01:43:43,890 --> 01:43:40,810
you're it's only basically your

2027
01:43:47,820 --> 01:43:43,900
consciousness your senses are heightened

2028
01:43:51,859 --> 01:43:47,830
and your memory is more in all

2029
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:51,869
encompassing it can remember more

2030
01:43:58,620 --> 01:43:54,570
everything that you have ever

2031
01:44:00,750 --> 01:43:58,630
experienced within that moment and I

2032
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:00,760
think that's why he remembered the

2033
01:44:05,129 --> 01:44:02,800
details that he couldn't before

2034
01:44:08,609 --> 01:44:05,139
and some people probably would argue oh

2035
01:44:10,589 --> 01:44:08,619
no it's probably because he was in a

2036
01:44:12,270 --> 01:44:10,599
state of shock or maybe denial and

2037
01:44:14,910 --> 01:44:12,280
that's why he couldn't remember it and

2038
01:44:18,089 --> 01:44:14,920
wakefulness but now that you've got him

2039
01:44:21,810 --> 01:44:18,099
relaxed and he's in this state then he

2040
01:44:24,410 --> 01:44:21,820
remembers you can argue that part of it

2041
01:44:28,290 --> 01:44:24,420
as well but my thinking is that

2042
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:28,300
unrestricted by the human body which you

2043
01:44:32,729 --> 01:44:30,639
know is limited it's gotta live in

2044
01:44:37,850 --> 01:44:32,739
adoration just like a car after so many

2045
01:44:45,419 --> 01:44:43,229
you then will recall all the other

2046
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:45,429
events that you probably in wakefulness

2047
01:44:51,930 --> 01:44:48,489
don't remember in all the details that

2048
01:44:53,490 --> 01:44:51,940
you have become fogged up you know life

2049
01:44:57,209 --> 01:44:53,500
takes over you're doing all these

2050
01:44:59,129 --> 01:44:57,219
busyness but if you weren't within that

2051
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:59,139
brain you weren't encased in that

2052
01:45:03,300 --> 01:45:00,880
physical brand you would remember more

2053
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:03,310
that that's just my two cents I mean we

2054
01:45:09,570 --> 01:45:06,250
do know that everything we hear sees

2055
01:45:11,370 --> 01:45:09,580
perceive through our senses we collect

2056
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:11,380
it all it's just that we don't remember

2057
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:13,449
it all I mean that's what that's what I

2058
01:45:19,060 --> 01:45:16,690
say to my wife I say I know everything I

2059
01:45:22,300 --> 01:45:19,070
just can't remember most of it

2060
01:45:24,940 --> 01:45:22,310
and then here's the other piece that I

2061
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:24,950
wanted to say in the last minutes that

2062
01:45:32,770 --> 01:45:29,570
we have here that with all this with the

2063
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:32,780
ETS and the the Scarlet beings whatever

2064
01:45:40,690 --> 01:45:36,290
their nature it is they are more

2065
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:40,700
advanced than us yes I agree with that

2066
01:45:46,930 --> 01:45:43,280
but they also have the capacity to

2067
01:45:50,620 --> 01:45:46,940
influence events because of that because

2068
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:50,630
they can manipulate time because they

2069
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:52,850
and I think you've heard me Philip

2070
01:45:59,590 --> 01:45:56,930
talked about thought forms before and

2071
01:46:02,320 --> 01:45:59,600
there is one topic in the book one

2072
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:02,330
chapter in my book that talks about the

2073
01:46:08,020 --> 01:46:04,880
influence of a tool by the creation of a

2074
01:46:11,770 --> 01:46:08,030
Tulpa which is a thought form that's a

2075
01:46:16,270 --> 01:46:11,780
topic for a different day obviously we

2076
01:46:19,450 --> 01:46:16,280
have the capacity just like the ETS in

2077
01:46:21,190 --> 01:46:19,460
more highly developed form and these

2078
01:46:25,170 --> 01:46:21,200
beings in a higher level of

2079
01:46:27,940 --> 01:46:25,180
consciousness to influence events so

2080
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:27,950
there's a religious undertone to that

2081
01:46:31,570 --> 01:46:30,410
which I will not delve into as well

2082
01:46:34,630 --> 01:46:31,580
because that's going to take another

2083
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:34,640
hour but in the universe that we're in

2084
01:46:41,950 --> 01:46:37,610
we are what I would think in my opinion

2085
01:46:43,540 --> 01:46:41,960
my humble opinion co-creators we can

2086
01:46:45,580 --> 01:46:43,550
influence the turn of events to a

2087
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:45,590
certain point some people who are

2088
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:50,960
religious do that by prayer and and

2089
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:52,970
you've seen me on Facebook talking about

2090
01:46:58,450 --> 01:46:56,330
I'll pray for you or my intention or I

2091
01:47:01,180 --> 01:46:58,460
want something to manifest

2092
01:47:06,250 --> 01:47:01,190
I think the ETS have that capacity to a

2093
01:47:08,440 --> 01:47:06,260
very developed extent and maybe I

2094
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:08,450
wouldn't even be surprised that when

2095
01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:11,090
they for example visited Calvin that

2096
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:13,520
maybe they're not physically manifesting

2097
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:16,250
as much as they're there they're from a

2098
01:47:21,970 --> 01:47:19,610
distance visiting him and maybe he

2099
01:47:23,980 --> 01:47:21,980
bodily was taken or maybe it was his

2100
01:47:25,390 --> 01:47:23,990
consciousness that was taken I don't

2101
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:25,400
know all the details of the case

2102
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:28,480
obviously but that's just my conjecture

2103
01:47:36,189 --> 01:47:33,050
mmm because I think to me if I were

2104
01:47:38,979 --> 01:47:36,199
the advanced civilization I would be

2105
01:47:42,569 --> 01:47:38,989
more concerned about their spiritual

2106
01:47:45,549 --> 01:47:42,579
development rather than their technology

2107
01:47:47,919 --> 01:47:45,559
I would be more concerned about the

2108
01:47:51,370 --> 01:47:47,929
nature of what they're doing to the

2109
01:47:53,229 --> 01:47:51,380
planet that they're inhabiting and how

2110
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:53,239
would I influence them I would influence

2111
01:47:58,959 --> 01:47:56,210
them by thought because they all can

2112
01:48:01,899 --> 01:47:58,969
telepathically communicate as you can

2113
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:01,909
see without moving their lips without

2114
01:48:07,359 --> 01:48:04,400
actually physically being there I think

2115
01:48:11,260 --> 01:48:07,369
they can reach us from a distance yeah

2116
01:48:12,729 --> 01:48:11,270
well my mom could do that my mom knew if

2117
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:12,739
I've been up to mischief even though she

2118
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:16,960
hasn't seen it so I would have to agree

2119
01:48:24,069 --> 01:48:21,440
1,000% even as they go older you know

2120
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:24,079
she could still figure out what I've

2121
01:48:31,049 --> 01:48:26,239
been up to you know all right tell me

2122
01:48:34,990 --> 01:48:31,059
tell me what intrigued me about the

2123
01:48:37,089 --> 01:48:35,000
human consciousness because even today

2124
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:37,099
you know neuroscientists can't point to

2125
01:48:42,129 --> 01:48:38,690
a place in the brain and say that's

2126
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:42,139
where your consciousness is is stored

2127
01:48:46,030 --> 01:48:43,760
you know

2128
01:48:47,770 --> 01:48:46,040
then old parts of the brain do this that

2129
01:48:49,149 --> 01:48:47,780
and the other but not human

2130
01:48:52,750 --> 01:48:49,159
consciousness where is it

2131
01:48:55,629 --> 01:48:52,760
and I've long seen speculated because

2132
01:48:58,660 --> 01:48:55,639
I'm not a specialist in this area that

2133
01:49:01,870 --> 01:48:58,670
whatever you whatever we term as human

2134
01:49:05,770 --> 01:49:01,880
consciousness is not restricted to our

2135
01:49:08,799 --> 01:49:05,780
own cranium that it could be for example

2136
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:08,809
like a magnet it gives out a magnetic

2137
01:49:15,970 --> 01:49:11,449
and it can influence and interact with

2138
01:49:17,799 --> 01:49:15,980
other things and I can about that by and

2139
01:49:19,299 --> 01:49:17,809
again I'm not a great believer in life

2140
01:49:22,359 --> 01:49:19,309
after death but this was a near-death

2141
01:49:24,459 --> 01:49:22,369
experience where you know a gentleman

2142
01:49:26,979 --> 01:49:24,469
had seen his wife sitting in the hallway

2143
01:49:29,859 --> 01:49:26,989
waiting to see him he was in a you know

2144
01:49:32,859 --> 01:49:29,869
a room on his own but it's it was

2145
01:49:34,660 --> 01:49:32,869
actually dead he died in he it floated

2146
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:34,670
up to the ceiling and he could only see

2147
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:37,760
her you know through a window atop of

2148
01:49:41,979 --> 01:49:40,639
the room and I'm okay yeah you know I

2149
01:49:43,689 --> 01:49:41,989
might not but the thing that he

2150
01:49:46,959 --> 01:49:43,699
described she'd actually bought a new

2151
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:46,969
hat that day to come and visit

2152
01:49:53,140 --> 01:49:49,610
to cheer him up and he described the new

2153
01:49:55,209 --> 01:49:53,150
hat you know there's no way on earth he

2154
01:49:59,170 --> 01:49:55,219
could have seen it you know it just did

2155
01:50:01,600 --> 01:49:59,180
not exist so you know I'm not one about

2156
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:01,610
you know over the soul leaving the body

2157
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:03,410
at anything like this I think it's more

2158
01:50:10,150 --> 01:50:06,880
related to the human consciousness and

2159
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,160
that's just my opinion you know IIIi was

2160
01:50:14,979 --> 01:50:12,320
interested in in a for a while and

2161
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:14,989
things called crises apparitions where

2162
01:50:21,310 --> 01:50:20,000
usually a parent will sense that

2163
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:21,320
something's happened to one of their

2164
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:25,280
family members usually a sibling but

2165
01:50:31,900 --> 01:50:27,290
they are far away and you know how odd

2166
01:50:34,330 --> 01:50:31,910
it can happen with between twins Chris

2167
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:34,340
and I interviewed a gentleman by the

2168
01:50:39,010 --> 01:50:37,010
name of Philip Kinsella we've got the

2169
01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:39,020
right one Chris well it Philly that's

2170
01:50:43,780 --> 01:50:40,880
currently and he's a twin with his

2171
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:43,790
brother Ronald when I asked him if it

2172
01:50:46,750 --> 01:50:45,170
had any of these sort of twin

2173
01:50:48,340 --> 01:50:46,760
experiences where they know what each

2174
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:48,350
other's thinking or anything like that

2175
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:53,330
and in his instance he was I think there

2176
01:50:58,330 --> 01:50:56,090
but so it's he's curious

2177
01:51:01,680 --> 01:50:58,340
it really is curious when it comes to

2178
01:51:04,260 --> 01:51:01,690
human consciousness and I think that's a

2179
01:51:09,420 --> 01:51:04,270
certainly a field of scientific

2180
01:51:12,370 --> 01:51:09,430
exploration that is going to be expanded

2181
01:51:15,250 --> 01:51:12,380
shall we say as the years progress

2182
01:51:18,540 --> 01:51:15,260
whether I'll be around to see the

2183
01:51:21,370 --> 01:51:18,550
results of it I don't know but I hope so

2184
01:51:25,150 --> 01:51:21,380
in my book Philip you'll always be

2185
01:51:27,970 --> 01:51:25,160
around well I mean if you think if you

2186
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:27,980
think about it if you think whether

2187
01:51:32,050 --> 01:51:29,360
you're a creationist

2188
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:32,060
or you believe in you know Darwin and

2189
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:35,930
evolution and whatever nala bers can be

2190
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:39,050
destroyed you can't we're all here in

2191
01:51:44,740 --> 01:51:42,770
one form or another you know we can only

2192
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:44,750
be changed you know you can never

2193
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:47,570
destroy anything you know you can only

2194
01:51:52,150 --> 01:51:49,850
change it like water water exists in

2195
01:51:55,300 --> 01:51:52,160
various forms it's liquid it's gas and

2196
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:55,310
it's a solid but it's still water you

2197
01:52:00,770 --> 01:52:00,080
know I love that analogy one point yeah

2198
01:52:02,839 --> 01:52:00,780
eh

2199
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:02,849
- OH no matter what form you look at its

2200
01:52:09,049 --> 01:52:06,210
h2o its water so nothing can be

2201
01:52:11,930 --> 01:52:09,059
destroyed you know we go on forever we

2202
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:11,940
are all Stardust there in that respect

2203
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:14,639
so Alan will be got Chris left ten

2204
01:52:24,290 --> 01:52:15,210
minutes

2205
01:52:26,689 --> 01:52:24,300
of pray see an overview of what the

2206
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:26,699
readers can expect to find in your book

2207
01:52:32,569 --> 01:52:28,800
portal our lifetime of paranormal

2208
01:52:33,890 --> 01:52:32,579
experiences this book is in

2209
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:33,900
chronological order

2210
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:36,090
according to experiences of various

2211
01:52:40,100 --> 01:52:37,530
people

2212
01:52:42,589 --> 01:52:40,110
it's distinctively different from other

2213
01:52:45,950 --> 01:52:42,599
paranormal books and UFO books and that

2214
01:52:50,180 --> 01:52:45,960
it looks at an Asian country that's you

2215
01:52:53,299 --> 01:52:50,190
know therefore before obscure the

2216
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,309
experiences there come from people who

2217
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:55,760
are just regular people like you and I

2218
01:53:02,810 --> 01:52:59,760
who have encountered not just discarnate

2219
01:53:06,979 --> 01:53:02,820
entities but visitations from ETS and

2220
01:53:09,169 --> 01:53:06,989
then it moves on to actually a totally

2221
01:53:12,859 --> 01:53:09,179
different country and then into another

2222
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:12,869
country but I think what unites it is

2223
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:16,010
the fact that there are people there who

2224
01:53:24,319 --> 01:53:20,130
in the normal course of life encounter

2225
01:53:28,129 --> 01:53:24,329
something that is unexplained and the

2226
01:53:32,180 --> 01:53:28,139
book gives a flavor of different types

2227
01:53:36,589 --> 01:53:32,190
of encounters not just with ghosts or

2228
01:53:40,370 --> 01:53:36,599
demons or entities from another universe

2229
01:53:43,399 --> 01:53:40,380
but also cryptids so there's a few

2230
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:43,409
stories that have to do with a shadow

2231
01:53:50,060 --> 01:53:47,489
person I mentioned to you a thought-form

2232
01:53:52,100 --> 01:53:50,070
that was created by a woman who was very

2233
01:53:56,209 --> 01:53:52,110
lonely

2234
01:53:58,850 --> 01:53:56,219
there's also elves and dwarves later on

2235
01:54:03,379 --> 01:53:58,860
in the book there's a suggestion of

2236
01:54:06,169 --> 01:54:03,389
something that was not explainable that

2237
01:54:08,209 --> 01:54:06,179
was hovering over a lake which

2238
01:54:11,870 --> 01:54:08,219
incidentally is just thirty minutes away

2239
01:54:13,180 --> 01:54:11,880
from where I am so there's all kinds of

2240
01:54:16,660 --> 01:54:13,190
unknown

2241
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:16,670
very bizarre things there's also things

2242
01:54:22,270 --> 01:54:19,010
that point to the occurrence of a

2243
01:54:26,470 --> 01:54:22,280
miracle so it's not all negative or

2244
01:54:31,150 --> 01:54:26,480
bizarre or on the edge or evil there's

2245
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:31,160
also some positive things that are

2246
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:34,400
happening to people you know their

2247
01:54:40,570 --> 01:54:36,770
reactions are all very different as you

2248
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:40,580
will read in the book you know I had a

2249
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:42,560
case where and this was this recent

2250
01:54:46,810 --> 01:54:44,239
Philip this was in the past summer when

2251
01:54:48,850 --> 01:54:46,820
I was in France where there was a family

2252
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:48,860
who encountered a spirit that was

2253
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:51,770
standing on a balcony and this was in a

2254
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:55,130
heavily populated area and what they

2255
01:54:59,920 --> 01:54:57,440
took away from it was that whatever that

2256
01:55:03,580 --> 01:54:59,930
spirit was was trying to help them in

2257
01:55:05,770 --> 01:55:03,590
their quest and in their case it was

2258
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:05,780
just simply trying to expose their child

2259
01:55:11,439 --> 01:55:09,199
to music to the Opera and things of that

2260
01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:11,449
nature to you know the culture in the

2261
01:55:17,500 --> 01:55:16,130
area but it left as it did as it does

2262
01:55:20,350 --> 01:55:17,510
with all these people the all these

2263
01:55:24,340 --> 01:55:20,360
witnesses and experiences it leaves an

2264
01:55:27,100 --> 01:55:24,350
indelible mark that is permanent that

2265
01:55:31,060 --> 01:55:27,110
will always be there that has altered

2266
01:55:34,180 --> 01:55:31,070
their perception of reality the way they

2267
01:55:38,590 --> 01:55:34,190
approach things and their beliefs are

2268
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:38,600
completely altered by the experience so

2269
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:44,690
basically that is that is the book and

2270
01:55:49,330 --> 01:55:46,400
that to me sounds like one that's most

2271
01:55:51,340 --> 01:55:49,340
definitely worth getting absolutely it's

2272
01:55:52,990 --> 01:55:51,350
been an absolutely fascinating

2273
01:55:55,540 --> 01:55:53,000
discussion I've really enjoyed this this

2274
01:55:57,100 --> 01:55:55,550
evening so Adele I'm not going to say

2275
01:55:57,610 --> 01:55:57,110
goodbye just yet I'm going to say thank

2276
01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:57,620
you for that

2277
01:56:00,880 --> 01:55:59,360
I'm sure Philippe has got one or two

2278
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:00,890
more things he'd like to mention to you

2279
01:56:05,950 --> 01:56:03,170
as well oh yeah I mean I again you know

2280
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:05,960
I'm just like thank you give me a time

2281
01:56:11,709 --> 01:56:08,810
Adele I mean again March the first to

2282
01:56:15,070 --> 01:56:11,719
its publication date of the book and one

2283
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:15,080
of the things I try to do and I think we

2284
01:56:23,229 --> 01:56:18,530
have succeeded in that respect with your

2285
01:56:26,050 --> 01:56:23,239
Booker delis is yes it's it's I call it

2286
01:56:30,340 --> 01:56:26,060
a paranormal book but it is different

2287
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:30,350
and and it gives access to not just case

2288
01:56:36,220 --> 01:56:32,690
histories but other people's perspective

2289
01:56:37,540 --> 01:56:36,230
as well from a different region of the

2290
01:56:40,300 --> 01:56:37,550
world that perhaps we don't hear that

2291
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:40,310
much about in this instance you know an

2292
01:56:48,340 --> 01:56:46,730
Asian come to the Philippines and so I

2293
01:56:50,230 --> 01:56:48,350
you know it's one of the things when I

2294
01:56:52,690 --> 01:56:50,240
started flying this place this is what

2295
01:56:55,630 --> 01:56:52,700
was one of my you know hopes that I'd be

2296
01:56:57,580 --> 01:56:55,640
able to achieve seduced to make

2297
01:56:59,140 --> 01:56:57,590
information available about this

2298
01:57:01,450 --> 01:56:59,150
phenomena from different parts of the

2299
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:01,460
world and not the ones that were all

2300
01:57:05,290 --> 01:57:03,770
used to not that I'm saying there's

2301
01:57:08,740 --> 01:57:05,300
nothing wrong with that but I think

2302
01:57:11,770 --> 01:57:08,750
we've achieved that time and time again

2303
01:57:15,490 --> 01:57:11,780
and of course achieved it again with

2304
01:57:18,610 --> 01:57:15,500
your book portal and I'm hoping that you

2305
01:57:20,620 --> 01:57:18,620
know on this may well be your your first

2306
01:57:21,900 --> 01:57:20,630
book of this type that it certainly

2307
01:57:25,900 --> 01:57:21,910
won't be the last

2308
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:25,910
especially when you may have retirement

2309
01:57:33,970 --> 01:57:30,290
from your day job looming you will have

2310
01:57:36,850 --> 01:57:33,980
no excuse then not to continue your

2311
01:57:38,710 --> 01:57:36,860
research and your photography and your

2312
01:57:41,260 --> 01:57:38,720
writing and the various other things I

2313
01:57:44,500 --> 01:57:41,270
know you you are engaged with so

2314
01:57:47,590 --> 01:57:44,510
there'll be no excuse at all this is

2315
01:57:49,690 --> 01:57:47,600
true I think I think what this this

2316
01:57:51,790 --> 01:57:49,700
actually proves fill-in up in the last

2317
01:57:54,280 --> 01:57:51,800
30 seconds that we've got here is that

2318
01:57:57,280 --> 01:57:54,290
we do live in a very strange and very

2319
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:57,290
paranormal world and we need to get more

2320
01:58:01,990 --> 01:57:59,360
information out and as myself in you of

2321
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:02,000
discuss before we do need more ladies

2322
01:58:06,790 --> 01:58:04,250
involved with the subject as well so

2323
01:58:09,070 --> 01:58:06,800
from behalf on behalf of myself Adelle

2324
01:58:11,380 --> 01:58:09,080
I'm going to thank you thank you for

2325
01:58:13,780 --> 01:58:11,390
joining us this evening on inside the

2326
01:58:15,790 --> 01:58:13,790
Outer Limits radio show and I'm sure

2327
01:58:18,190 --> 01:58:15,800
Philippe would like to say yes a good

2328
01:58:21,460 --> 01:58:18,200
evening from it from Yorkshire Adele and

2329
01:58:21,970 --> 01:58:21,470
I daresay we will speak again it was my

2330
01:58:24,589 --> 01:58:21,980
pleasure

2331
01:58:30,050 --> 01:58:24,599
thank you so much

2332
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:30,060
there we go thank you everybody good

2333
01:58:50,810 --> 01:58:33,650
thank you Chris thank you bye-bye now